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sasnaK · 02-03-2013, 01:07 PM

I use to visit a lady who was married, nice neighborhood, clean freak...discussed family, photos,where her husband worked...etc...it was 3 yrs before I knew her real first name...LOL! she never knew my last name...always saw her during the week but offered weekends even with the hubby there ..that never happened...! It was a nice comfortable thing but really the less I knew and shared the safer I felt...All I care is the Lady is friendly, clean,safe and agreed upon transaction takes place...! I Judge none and treat all with respect..unless given a reason....who cares if there married...so am I...!

Guest013121 · 02-03-2013, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KenMonk

Why in the hell wasn't I invited?

Ha, I didn't even know I was until about an hour ago! Lol! Its for 30's and up, so I was invited solely cuz of my age, I'm certain of it

pheonix63 · 02-03-2013, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KenMonk

You can go ahead and attack me personally, I can handle it, but several businesses get by with not only hiding the truth, or stretching it, or whatever you want to say, but they outright lie. Its a fact regardless of integrity and they continue to get away with it. How many Fortune 500 companies get caught with their hand in the cookie jar, yet remain in business, hell they even thrive. I'm not saying its right, I'm not saying its wrong, I'm saying it happens. I can give you examples going back 20 years and these companies are still in business and at the top of their industry.

So here is my question, is it apathy or ignorance? My answer, I don't know nor do I care.

Thats me ninja'ing your brain.

I agree with Ken on this. Tobacco companies are a good example of this. They had info that their product was addictive and not only didn't warn the customers but also tried to lie when the truth came out. Really it should have been a no brainer that a drug would be addictive imo, but still a prime example of companies lying and still to this day making profit. A few of the people that I know said that the main thing that is taught in Business Ethics is don't get caught, and with that statement class was dismissed.

Misawahawk · 02-03-2013, 02:17 PM

I've asked providers if they have a pimp before. Glad I read this thread because I won't do that again. As long as I get out safe, what do I care? I've had countless ex's that wouldn't cross the street to piss on me if I was on fire. So, I have no illusion, providers only care about the money. No harm, no foul, profit isn't a dirty word.

KenMonk · 02-03-2013, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by pheonix63

I agree with Ken on this. Tobacco companies are a good example of this. They had info that their product was addictive and not only didn't warn the customers but also tried to lie when the truth came out. Really it should have been a no brainer that a drug would be addictive imo, but still a prime example of companies lying and still to this day making profit. A few of the people that I know said that the main thing that is taught in Business Ethics is don't get caught, and with that statement class was dismissed.

I disagree, the main thing I learned in every ethics class is that there is always a legal loophole, so when you find it you use it. I also learned how to forecast potential issues that may come within the realm of ethics and how to prepare to use said loophole when the need arises. If you get caught doing something shady good answers are:

I don't recall

Not to my knowledge

That never happened

No

That never happened (yes again never deviate from your lie you look stupid)

No (same answer as above)

and the best is: I wasn't there, or at that meeting, so I can't speculate or hypothesize what was said or who had knowledge of that information.

JRLawrence · 02-03-2013, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Gemma34

.... For example, I knew a client for over 5 years and did NOT ever know what he did for a living. I tried guessing all the time and looking for clues in his car and shit but I NEVER found out.

....

Well now, it seems as if he didn't want to tell you. So, why did you want to know? Trying to get into his personal life? No matter what the situation, hobby or not, if someone even hints that something is none of your business. It is none of your business!

Cross you off my list of possible people to see!

JR

Guest013121 · 02-03-2013, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JRLawrence

Well now, it seems as if he didn't want to tell you. So, why did you want to know? Trying to get into his personal life? No matter what the situation, hobby or not, if someone even hints that something is none of your business. It is none of your business!

Cross you off my list of possible people to see!

JR

Where did your negative ass come from? I never said he wouldn't tell me. I said I never knew. That doesn't stop a wondering mind from wandering And I am not worried about you crossing me off as you never even made it to initial contact much less pre-screening honey. So take that with a grain of salt, if you will.

Guest030817 · 02-03-2013, 05:47 PM

I think that the most important reason for not getting too personal boils down to safety. The less anyone knows about you the better off you are, in general. Part of being discreet is being proactive...being proactive means that you have worst case scenario in the back of your mind at all times.

Of course, case by case...but with longer term relationships and trust built, it makes sense that more would unfold.

f you know someone for 5 years, it's hard not to wonder (try to guess) what they do. Human nature. I'm sure if Gemma really wanted to know she could have found out.

Prying is different.

When screening, people exchange sensitive information. I think that it's important to only use that information for the intended purpose which is verification.

I could find a map to most people's front doors, their employment info, social networks, etc. through the verification services that I use. I only look as far as I need to in order to be confident about verification and then I delete the info from my records. I feel like I would be violating early trust to continue to pry.

JRLawrence · 02-03-2013, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ari816

I think that the most important reason for not getting too personal boils down to safety. The less anyone knows about you the better off you are, in general. Part of being discreet is being proactive...being proactive means that you have worst case scenario in the back of your mind at all times.

Of course, case by case...but with longer term relationships and trust built, it makes sense that more would unfold.

f you know someone for 5 years, it's hard not to wonder (try to guess) what they do. Human nature. I'm sure if Gemma really wanted to know she could have found out.

Prying is different.

When screening, people exchange sensitive information. I think that it's important to only use that information for the intended purpose which is verification.

I could find a map to most people's front doors, their employment info, social networks, etc. through the verification services that I use. I only look as far as I need to in order to be confident about verification and then I delete the info from my records. I feel like I would be violating early trust to continue to pry.

You told it better than I did. You have a good attitude.

JR

Guest013121 · 02-03-2013, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JRLawrence

You told it better than I did. You have a good attitude.

JR

Whereas I have a bad attitude? Lol, ok well next time I will make my point in kiss JRLawrence ass style. Would you understand it differently if I decided to do it that way? Maybe I didn't sugarcoat it for your sensitive ass but, baby believe me, you understood what I said.

Guest030817 · 02-03-2013, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Gemma34

Whereas I have a bad attitude? Lol, ok well next time I will make my point in kiss JRLawrence ass style. Would you understand it differently if I decided to do it that way? Maybe I didn't sugarcoat it for your sensitive ass but, baby believe me, you understood what I said.

For the record Gemma, I was trying to be supportive of you...not trying to sugar coat your answer.
Sorry if it came across wrong. I took JR's comment to mean that he had a bad attitude..not you.

Guest013121 · 02-03-2013, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ari816

For the record Gemma, I was trying to be supportive of you...not trying to sugar coat your answer.
Sorry if it came across wrong. I took JR's comment to mean that he had a bad attitude..not you.

Two of us understood that girl. I appreciate your supportive comments, a lot. This is not a negative thread by all means so I was taken back by such a negative attack by him. Oh well, I have nothing but love for you girl and I recommend you to any gentleman ANYDAY, you are a rare gem! Thanks for making me forget the bs Ari! Muahmuahmuah!

KenMonk · 02-03-2013, 06:56 PM

Some guys may not have p411 but in my case if p411, my history, and my references aren't good enough for a lady its my loss because i'm not comfortable offering up any more information then I already have to be honest. I'm also more open then some people as well.

KenMonk · 02-03-2013, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JRLawrence

Well now, it seems as if he didn't want to tell you. So, why did you want to know? Trying to get into his personal life? No matter what the situation, hobby or not, if someone even hints that something is none of your business. It is none of your business!

Cross you off my list of possible people to see!

JR

In my honest opinion JR's point is somewhat valid. Rereading what was stated it looks bad. Looking in his car for work information leads me to believe he left you in the car for a few minutes to go into a gas station or something and the glove box was went through etc. I see that being a valid concern, and I had a lady do some of this same stuff to me. She asked me work questions all time guessing and trying to play 20 questions with my personal life. The more she asked the more I stone walled her until I ended up cutting off contact altogether, but this wasn't the only reason there was more to it than that.

I'm just saying its concerning and most likely turned a lot of people off, or at the very least got them thinking about removing personal information from their cars.

sweet.countrygirl · 02-04-2013, 12:09 AM

From the stance of a provider I figure I let the client tell me what they want to, amazingly alot of them open up more then I expect (well that or tell me a very tall tale) , either way it seems to make the experience more fulfilling I hope on both ends. I have met the married ones, the ones who stay just for the kids and even had one whose wife knew exactly what he was doing and called in the middle of the session, he said he had company , she told him to have fun and we went back to it. Now that was akward ... lol

As for me and my life, I tell what is necessary but I don't think I could really keep up with any down right lies, I would always be afraid of telling one person this and another person that until someone got together by mistake and then it all blew up in my face. I may tell one person something and not tell another but once again it just depends on how comfortable I am with them. None of them are lies though it just being cautious.