Secret Life Of A Hooker. Would YOU Really Care?

[nineninanine]

and to think, I thought the only reason I was able to score with these ladies was because they truly loved me for who I am, and thought I was irresistable. There goes my self-esteem.

[Helicopter206]

I thought this site along with Back Page was all true. Damn I'm so up-set. Your telling me people are lying about who they are or what they do.
The photos were the only reason I would see a provider.
Now your going to tell me those are fake.
I will just be heart broken!!
Girls are married, have boyfriends, pimps, and kids.
Guys are married, have girlfriends, and kids.
But we are all looking for the same thing. We all want something different and fun. If this hobby wasn't fun and relaxing. Would we be doing it?

[bartipero]

I agree with some of the more direct comments, but if we get to know one another and it is clear that is the dialogue, then I expect the truth. You would get it in return. If it's material in nature I would expect to know up front--like you were once a guy was one of the examples. I think I should be able to determine for myself. Integrity and mutual respect is what I would call it. And these are probably unrealistic expectations in this context, but shouldn't be. I'm pretty unshakeable on the confidentiality end, so that is why I would expect to be able to discuss it, but how would you know that?

[KenMonk]

Originally Posted by LoveWomen

If you consider the Hobby a BUSINESS, integrity is paramount.
NO Lying is acceptable,
(however, no one is under any obligation to answer any question)
In the Business world, the cost of losing your integrity is so high, no true businessperson would dare lie in a Business transaction.

If you consider the Hobby is a GAME, lying is fair,
but BOTH sides can expect to be played, lied to and ultimately CHEATED out of whatever they can be taken for.

If you think people don't lie in business I have some land I'd like to sell you. I also consider anything where currancy is used for the purchase of a good or service to be a business, or anything that has to do with any sort of transaction. Why can't a game also be a business? A true businessperson knows how to move through the bullshit and lies, not to tell the truth.

[KCQuestor]

There are some providers who I know lie constantly, and I don't care. There are others for whom if I found out they were lying to me about the things we have discussed, I would be very disappointed.

[Guest030817]

Originally Posted by KCQuestor

There are some providers who I know lie constantly, and I don't care. There are others for whom if I found out they were lying to me about the things we have discussed, I would be very disappointed.

Nice topic Gemma...

This whole hobby is a fantasy (lie).

You shouldn't lie to people to cancel dates or to jerk them around. You should absolutely keep your fantasy and reality separate. I'm not a very good liar so my lies are variations of the truth. They are enough truth to be representative but enough lie to keep things from being too personal.

It's best to pick a fantasy identity and stick to it.

I have known guys who have lied to me for years regarding their relationship status or career, etc. I don't care. It's their story. I let them tell it.

No one is ever, ever going to tell you about their criminal history if they have one. This isn't Corporate America. Of all the people that I've known, no one has ever discussed criminal history. It's like politics and religion.

No girl is ever going to say..." you know, I have a theft charge" and no guy is ever going to say..."well, I have a 3rd degree domestic violence charge." Not happening.

You pick the girl that fits your fantasy...not by her real life details but by photo's, reputation and other people's fantasies.

I promise that the fantasy me is your best bet.

[LoveWomen]

Originally Posted by KenMonk

...I have some land I'd like to sell you. ...

...A true businessperson knows how to move through the bullshit and lies, not to tell the truth....

Nothing personal toward you KM, simply rhetorical (not to you specifically):

If you have no integrity, I would not care to buy land from you....

Without integrity, you are not a businessperson,
you are simply a liar and a cheat,
and with the new information age, you would be out of "business" quickly.

However, you can be in the "Game" as long as you can get away with it.

(Again, this point is simply rhetorical, not personal to you KM...)

[Mr. Crowley]

...you lied about having an orgasm???!!!

By the way, don't we all telll little lies to people around us?

No one and I mean no one can be 100% honest and not be thought of as an a**hole. We tell one another small untruths to smooth out our existence.

For instance, the over used example "does this make my ass look fat?", truthfully answered, "hell yeah, I like 'em fat!", might not be the response that allows for a peaceful domestic atmosphere.

For those that pride themselves on total honesty, I have found they also tend to take great sadistic pleasure in the hurt feelings of others. The social contract requires that we smooth the rough edges of our interactions.


For our purposes, in this hobby, I think it is prudent to understand everyone lies to one extent or another. Names, age, weight, marital status, our real sexual attractiveness and so on. We probably lie to people who are closest to us, SO, coworkers, assistants, and employees in order to pursue the hobby. The only people I see being rewarded for telling the truth about their hobby lifestyle are comedians.

We are all guilty of possessing a trait I like to call, HUMAN NATURE. To be human is to be deeply flawed. The struggle is not to be perfect but to know when to protect ourselves or others with with the dozens of lies that each of us tells daily.

To answer your question directly Gemma, unless the lie puts my life in jeopardy, what I don't know, doesn't hurt me. By the way no one has ever faked an orgasm with me. If Im wrong, please be gentle!

[b@ileythepistol]

I'm pretty open about some of my personal life just so guys can get to know me as a person and I feel it makes our relationship better as provider and client.. But if I did date someone and they where ok with me working I don't feel the need to share that. I never ask home situations with my clients and as long as it doesn't effect safety or cross boundaries it's nobodies business in my opinion. I've had wives call me I simply say I must have dialed the wrong number and I'd never allow a boyfriend to effect my job. As long as everybody is safe I think some things just need to be kept to ourselfs for saftey reasons.

[bigryan222]

Ari, you might be suprised what providers tell about themselves. Most of the crimes girls have told me about have been for prostitution charges, but I have also been told about jail time for DUI, and another girl told me she spent a little time in jail and alluded to it being some sort of drug charge.

I dont ask personal questions and dont care to be lied to even to encourage the fantasy. The only lie I tell them is my name, it isnt actually Ryan, but even then if I trust the girl at all I will let them know my real first name.

Since I dont ask questions there really isnt a need to lie to me. Even in the sack. If you dont like what Im doing, give me a little nudge in a direction you would like better. I am selfish in the hobby, but if the provider is happy I am more likely to be happy also.

[KCJF1]

I'm with BigRyan. I generally don't ask questions I don't really want to know the answer to, both inside and outside the hobby.

[Guest013121]

Originally Posted by Bcdrummer

You are right Gemma - both providers and hobbyists alike do not live with full disclosure in this hobby. I will not flat out lie, but I do omit a lot of things when discussing my personal life. This hobby is full of secrets. But if I asked something, say "do u have a pimp" and found out I was flat out lied to I wouldn't go back. Lying about that puts me in jeopardy so that's a no go.

I also omit a lot from my stories but just because you ask a lady does she have a pimp, are you satisfied with just her answer of "no?"

Originally Posted by pheonix63

I wouldn't care as long as they were not a man before and are now a woman. I don't think I would be able to see someone if I had that kind of knowledge of them.

yea, I would draw the line there too. I prefer men, from birth to death! lol!

Originally Posted by KenMonk

this business people lie, its that simple, and they don't always do it for bad reasons. Its the nature of the business so expect anything personal being said to you, regardless of who it comes from, to be a lie.

true, lies are not always for bad reasons. And not everything said about personal stuff is always a lie.

Originally Posted by DallasRain

good question..............who you are in your personal life is who you are....plain & simple.....no biggie to me!

true to a certain extent...btw Dallas I love your sexy new avatar!

Originally Posted by ScubaBad

Unless she has a pimp, we all have secrets, so who cares.

You would be surprised the ladies that do. Even your super sweet _____ has one and my client caught him hiding in the second bedroom in her apartment during a session. Oh the things I know. Lol!

Originally Posted by BigDeal

I doubt a provider cares anything about my personal life once the cash is on the table and Im out the door...so why should I care about hers.....

actually your cash means shit to me if I don't know something personal about you. And that's for my safety.

Originally Posted by LoveWomen

If you consider the Hobby a BUSINESS, integrity is paramount.
NO Lying is acceptable,
(however, no one is under any obligation to answer any question)
In the Business world, the cost of losing your integrity is so high, no true businessperson would dare lie in a Business transaction.

If you consider the Hobby is a GAME, lying is fair,
but BOTH sides can expect to be played, lied to and ultimately CHEATED out of whatever they can be taken for.

I have to sorta agree with the first part of your post but I tend to disagree with the second part babe. Nobody should expect to get lied to or cheated out of anything. I'm certainly not going to lie or cheat a person out of anything. This business is is a fun-filled hobby we play in but we shouldn't try to run game on anyone. And, yes, I know this happens. But nobody should expect that and then feel dumb for getting lied to or cheated out of something.

Originally Posted by KenMonk

A true businessperson knows how to move through the bullshit and lies, not to tell the truth.

hhhhmmmmm...i read and reread this at least ten times. Its so genius Ken. Extremely brilliant and very true.

Originally Posted by KCQuestor

There are some providers who I know lie constantly, and I don't care. There are others for whom if I found out they were lying to me about the things we have discussed, I would be very disappointed.

Eeeeeeeeexxactly!

Originally Posted by Ari816

Nice topic Gemma...

This whole hobby is a fantasy (lie).

You shouldn't lie to people to cancel dates or to jerk them around. You should absolutely keep your fantasy and reality separate. I'm not a very good liar so my lies are variations of the truth. They are enough truth to be representative but enough lie to keep things from being too personal.

It's best to pick a fantasy identity and stick to it.

I have known guys who have lied to me for years regarding their relationship status or career, etc. I don't care. It's their story. I let them tell it.

No one is ever, ever going to tell you about their criminal history if they have one. This isn't Corporate America. Of all the people that I've known, no one has ever discussed criminal history. It's like politics and religion.

No girl is ever going to say..." you know, I have a theft charge" and no guy is ever going to say..."well, I have a 3rd degree domestic violence charge." Not happening.

You pick the girl that fits your fantasy...not by her real life details but by photo's, reputation and other people's fantasies.

Ari, so you made it sound like I wanted mine to sound! Lol. Very right on cue girl. I, too, am a bad liar so I generally pick the parts of my life that are easier for me to talk about yet cannot hurt me if ever thrown back in ny face. Not lies, but parts of my life maybe that was pertinent to the current conversation my client and I may be having.

Originally Posted by LoveWomen

If you have no integrity, I would not care to buy land from you....
Without integrity, you are not a businessperson,
you are simply a liar and a cheat,
and with the new information age, you would be out of "business" quickly.

However, you can be in the "Game" as long as you can get away with it.

ok i kinda get this too. I don't like to be lied to if its something that will upset me. And I feel women should not lie to men about pimps or sex changes. I'm not in this hobby to cheat men out of money. I earn mine. I don't really have an alter-ego. Though, I may seem a bit rough round the edges per eccie board, I'm actually a sweet extremely hilarious woman in my real life and can easily come off as a bitch. Not much different for me. I happen to be a horrible actor but I am animated as hell. There is a reason I don't do sexy roleplay....im a fuckin goofball and always feel stupid cuz I'm fake acting ie roleplaying. But that's just me.

Originally Posted by Mr. Crowley

By the way, don't we all telll little lies to people around us?
No one and I mean no one can be 100% honest and not be thought of as an a**hole. We tell one another small untruths to smooth out our existence.
For instance, the over used example "does this make my ass look fat?", truthfully answered, "hell yeah, I like 'em fat!", might not be the response that allows for a peaceful domestic atmosphere.

For those that pride themselves on total honesty, I have found they also tend to take great sadistic pleasure in the hurt feelings of others. The social contract requires that we smooth the rough edges of our interactions.
We are all guilty of possessing a trait I like to call, HUMAN NATURE. To be human is to be deeply flawed. The struggle is not to be perfect but to know when to protect ourselves or others with with the dozens of lies that each of us tells daily.

To answer your question directly Gemma, unless the lie puts my life in jeopardy, what I don't know, doesn't hurt me. By the way no one has ever faked an orgasm with me. If Im wrong, please be gentle!

PERFECTLY I mean perfectly said babe!

Originally Posted by KCJF1

I'm with BigRyan. I generally don't ask questions I don't really want to know the answer to, both inside and outside the hobby.

This is something I have always felt. I also tend to not ask questions that I might not like the answer to.

[Guest013121]

btw; if my post doesn't seem to make much sense its because I'm doing this from windows phone while I'm getting ready for a Superbowl party. Sorry

[KenMonk]

Originally Posted by LoveWomen

Nothing personal toward you KM, simply rhetorical (not to you specifically):

If you have no integrity, I would not care to buy land from you....

Without integrity, you are not a businessperson,
you are simply a liar and a cheat,
and with the new information age, you would be out of "business" quickly.

However, you can be in the "Game" as long as you can get away with it.

(Again, this point is simply rhetorical, not personal to you KM...)

You can go ahead and attack me personally, I can handle it, but several businesses get by with not only hiding the truth, or stretching it, or whatever you want to say, but they outright lie. Its a fact regardless of integrity and they continue to get away with it. How many Fortune 500 companies get caught with their hand in the cookie jar, yet remain in business, hell they even thrive. I'm not saying its right, I'm not saying its wrong, I'm saying it happens. I can give you examples going back 20 years and these companies are still in business and at the top of their industry.

So here is my question, is it apathy or ignorance? My answer, I don't know nor do I care. Thats me ninja'ing your brain.

[KenMonk]

Originally Posted by Gemma34

btw; if my post doesn't seem to make much sense its because I'm doing this from windows phone while I'm getting ready for a Superbowl party. Sorry

Why in the hell wasn't I invited?