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Old 04-17-2026, 03:07 PM   #301
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More data taken out of context to push an anti immigration agenda.

More than 40,000 people a year die in the United States every year due to traffic accidents. Approximately 15,000 people are victims of firearm homicides each year. I’m sure some of these deaths are the result of illegal immigration but that certainly doesn’t mean that immigrants pose a greater risk than any other person or group.

As I said before, Just more xenophobic and anti immigrant bullshit.
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... Please read posts # 257 thru 262 in this very thread.
We're all into the discussion that I mentioned.
Tx-Dot called me-own posts there "lies" ...

So, therefore - we showed a list.

... Which is VERY relevant to the discussion and topic!

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I wouldn’t call it a lie if it wasn’t. The idea that removing illegal immigrants would make a serious difference in traffic accidents or homicide rates is ridiculous. It’s a claim not backed up by facts and listing a few isolated incidents isn’t proof of your claim.
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Old 04-17-2026, 03:58 PM   #302
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... Please read posts # 257 thru 262 in this very thread.
We're all into the discussion that I mentioned.
Tx-Dot called me-own posts there "lies" ...

So, therefore - we showed a list.

... Which is VERY relevant to the discussion and topic!

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What you are saying is an outright falsehood. A giant lie. Saying one class of people is more likely to commit crimes, or traffic accidents, or murders is akin to saying that blacks are lazy, or have lower IQ’s or that asian women are bad drivers or that all republicans are racists.

These kinds of lies have been used throughout history to justify evil behavior towards others. Let’s try not to spread this misinformation any further.
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Old 04-17-2026, 05:58 PM   #303
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So the Trump administration isn’t fascist because they aren’t fascist enough? The Trump administration is certainly fascist lite. And I suspect that the longer they stay in power the more fascist they will become.

ICE and the Border Patrol may work inside the system but so did the SS in Nazi Germany. Not a good argument to make.
The root cause of ICE is the Dems open border policy and fetish for illegals.

Keep the border closed like any sane country, allow a reasonable amount of legal, vetted, value-add immigration and ICE goes away for the most part.

Quit with the woke bullshit and made up fascism.
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Old 04-17-2026, 06:04 PM   #304
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What you are saying is an outright falsehood. A giant lie. Saying one class of people is more likely to commit crimes, or traffic accidents, or murders is akin to saying that blacks are lazy, or have lower IQ’s or that asian women are bad drivers or that all republicans are racists.

These kinds of lies have been used throughout history to justify evil behavior towards others. Let’s try not to spread this misinformation any further.
Absolutely untrue. Keep fighting fake fascism though.

The wackos on the left embrace identity politics except when it tells the story you don’t want.

Highest IQs? It’s not white people.

Highest crime rate? Yep there’s a demographic data on that.

Exponential increase in rapes in Europe? Close to 100% correlation with immigration policy, numbers, and demographics.

Most terrorists attacks? That’s an easy one with data to support.

Trying to ignore and bury the data doesn’t make it untrue.

And calling out a repeated pattern in the data isn’t racist. It’s a logical conclusion that it will repeat.

Suicidal empathy in full effect.

But hey, ICE is fascist and that’s the problem. I would say it’s ignorance, but I actually think it’s intentional.
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Old 04-18-2026, 01:56 AM   #305
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Highest crime rate? Yep there’s a demographic data on that. PROVE IT!

Exponential increase in rapes in Europe? Close to 100% correlation with immigration policy, numbers, and demographics.PROVE IT!

Trying to ignore and bury the data doesn’t make it untrue.
WHAT DATA, SHOW IT,

But hey, ICE is fascist and that’s the problem. I would say it’s ignorance, but I actually think it’s intentional.
I would say it’s ignorance as well but in some cases it’s just intentional racism.

The United States Department of Justice tells us that Undocumented Immigrants offend at rates that are lower than U.S. citizens.

Undocumented Immigrant Offending Rate Lower Than U.S.-Born Citizen Rate
The study found that undocumented immigrants are arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for violent and drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property crimes.
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/J...0122-SD004.pdf
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Old 04-18-2026, 06:12 AM   #306
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Wasting your time TX. That's been pointed out to him multiple times yet his blinders remains impervious to facts.

Your point about the gov not being fascist enough for him is apt
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Old 04-18-2026, 07:40 AM   #307
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He’s delusional, like most hard core MAGAs are at this point.

Facts, truth, morality … none of that stuff matters to them. The smart MAGAs have scurried off the ship.

By virtually all metrics, Trump and his goon squad are fascists, and should be charged with domestic terrorism.
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Old 04-18-2026, 10:11 AM   #308
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It's intentional racism more than it is ignorance. The data are clear. Immigrants commit far less crime than native-born American citizens. That's just a fact. A fact that MAGA hates more than they hate the 2nd Amendment, but a fact nonetheless.
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Old 04-18-2026, 09:54 PM   #309
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I wouldn’t call it a lie if it wasn’t. The idea that removing illegal immigrants would make a serious difference in traffic accidents or homicide rates is ridiculous. It’s a claim not backed up by facts and listing a few isolated incidents isn’t proof of your claim.
... But the people KILLED by those Illegals would
STILL be alive today, wouldn't they, mate??

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... But the people KILLED by those Illegals would
STILL be alive today, wouldn't they, mate??

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And how many people are going to die needlessly while Trump’s stormtroopers try and deport 13 million people?
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And how many people are going to die needlessly while Trump’s stormtroopers try and deport 13 million people?
You’re blaming the clean up effort instead of the root cause Tx.

Biden opened the border.

Keep the border closed like a normal country and ICE is irrelevant. Quit blaming fake fascism.
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Old Yesterday, 06:33 AM   #312
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It's intentional racism more than it is ignorance. The data are clear. Immigrants commit far less crime than native-born American citizens. That's just a fact. A fact that MAGA hates more than they hate the 2nd Amendment, but a fact nonetheless.
We’ve been over this many times.

I won’t apologize for wishing a secure border so the US doesn’t loose control and turn into a 3rd world shit hole with 3rd world politics.

That’s the end game as I see it.

Study the downfall of the Roman Empire and what happened to other middle eastern countries. All ties back to the libs using immigration. How is it going to be different this time? What’s the end game?

You don’t know. You just chase the woke dream and you say anybody that doesn’t is in a cult. Lmao. So hypocritical.

But hey fake fascism is the real threat here. Lmao.
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I would say it’s ignorance as well but in some cases it’s just intentional racism.

The United States Department of Justice tells us that Undocumented Immigrants offend at rates that are lower than U.S. citizens.

Undocumented Immigrant Offending Rate Lower Than U.S.-Born Citizen Rate
The study found that undocumented immigrants are arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for violent and drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property crimes.
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/J...0122-SD004.pdf
You’re 100000% wrong to suggest data doesn’t exist and your link is the end all be all.

Also there is a difference between demographic data and data with illegals. Some of that demographic data I reference ties back to US citizens.

On a side note, you really havent seen rape data in Europe over the last 5-10 years that correlates with their open border suicidal empathy? You have to be kidding me.

Start a new thread and we can share data points all day as this thread is about fake fascism.

Do it!
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... But the people KILLED by those Illegals would
STILL be alive today, wouldn't they, mate??

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Unclear. We still have drunk driving, heart disease, falling off of ladders and ICE agents shooting people among other ways to die. So we can't really say when it comes to who would still be alive in Trump's fascist America. Not for certain
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The Democrat politicians in NY are protecting this guy? And ICE are the bad guys?

This guy is a value-add to the US?

“A Mexican national illegal alien accused of randomly setting a New York City apartment building on fire that killed four people and injured seven others, could be released back onto the streets as Department of Homeland Security officials say the city is refusing a request to turn him over to immigration authorities.

Roman Amatitla, 38, of Maspeth, is charged with eight counts of second-degree murder and first-degree arson after allegedly lighting a three-story Flushing building on fire March 16, which he selected at random.”

https://nypost.com/2026/04/17/us-new...ampaign=nypost
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