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Old 10-25-2025, 09:59 AM   #16
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You are going on my ignore list, DUDE.
I suggest you do what many do here and ignore this whole part of the site. Most women do. In fact, most ignore this whole site. And you have stumbled into the very reason why.

Empathy, compassion, and disagreement with the most frequent posters here is only met with scorn and simplistic insults.

Along with convenient mischaracterization of history and failure to acknowledge the dangers of ignoring it. Doomed to repeat, as they say.

Thanks for sharing a bit of it with us. Elie Wiesel would approve. He worked his entire life to remind people of what happened, warning them that it was continuing. But I suspect most here hate him too.
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Old 10-25-2025, 12:42 PM   #17
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I'm sorry, I know I am all over the place, but I am extremely concerned by the rise of Alt Right Christian White Nationalism. I understand that we have a plethora of human rights abuses currently happening, I am not excusing it. I am just really puzzled and concerned by the lack of understanding about the truth of what happened to human beings, because those like my late relative who witnessed some of it, these people and their memories, are now lost to history.
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When I have posted about this in the past online, I was very surprised by responses from people who claimed that the occupiers and gestapo was somehow 'nice' and not mean to the people of Lyon. I am grateful that I have learned historical fact from an account of someone who was actually there and lived it. There was nothing 'nice' about it. No matter who your relative was, or what you may want to think about them if they were there as an occupier or gestapo. Nobody was being nice. Just like the obvious smell of death in a town where a concentration camp was located.

Hitler was not nice. Genocide is not nice.
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I suggest you do what many do here and ignore this whole part of the site. Most women do. In fact, most ignore this whole site. And you have stumbled into the very reason why.

Empathy, compassion, and disagreement with the most frequent posters here is only met with scorn and simplistic insults.

Along with convenient mischaracterization of history and failure to acknowledge the dangers of ignoring it. Doomed to repeat, as they say.

Thanks for sharing a bit of it with us. Elie Wiesel would approve. He worked his entire life to remind people of what happened, warning them that it was continuing. But I suspect most here hate him too.
I too would like to thank you Cinderbella for taking the time to write two excellent posts.

I don't recall anyone in this section of the forum ever defending Nazis. Characterizing forum members, or alt right Christian nationalists, or Republicans in general as pro-Nazi isn't true or fair. Many of their fathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers fought in World War II. They risked and some lost their lives fighting Nazis.

Ingrassia said “I do have a Nazi streak in me from time to time, I will admit it.” Who knows what the hell that means. That wasn't the reason certain Republican Senators forced the White House to pull Ingrassia's nomination. It was because he made racist remarks.

That's Blackman's point in the OP, that Ingrassia's a racist and yet he's still the White House's liaison to the DHS.

The party purged Young Republicans who made racist comments. The more conscientious Republican Senators prevented Ingrassia from becoming a Special Counsel. But that's not sufficient. The Republican Party must eliminate racists entirely from its ranks, or all those who support the Republican Party are racists or sympathizers of racists.

However, Blackman probably wouldn't demand the removal of the Democrat Los Angeles City Council members who made racist remarks. And I suspect neither of you would call for the Graham Platner, the leading candidate for the Democratic nomination for Senator in Maine and the person most likely to beat Susan Collins, to withdraw from the race. Platner has a Nazi symbol tattooed across his chest.

Blackman believes I'm a racist sympathizer. My son is a descendant of slaves. Why would I sympathize with racists?

The White House should fire Ingrassia or ask him to resign. Maybe it will. Trump's instinct is to refuse to back down when challenged, but maybe he'll end up doing the right thing.
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I have seen Graham Platner speak. He is a racist asshole, and his "apology" was a joke. He should withdraw.
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Unshockingly, the White House. As allowed someone that recently was a controversial racist to continue working in the White House. I thought republicans were against that kinda behavior and “punish” those folks by firing them. Maybe Trump likes racists. Or they are ok with him. Maybe the Republican Party just is ok with racism.
As long as they do their job that's all that matters.
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Old 10-26-2025, 09:40 AM   #20
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As long as they do their job that's all that matters.
No. That is most definitely not all that matters. To claim that all an individual in a position of responsibility must do is “their job” ignores issues of scope (what are their job responsibilities; who determines those responsibilities; who holds them accountable for fulfilling those responsibilities), ethics (by what criteria are the person’s actions determined to be morally acceptable; how much human suffering as collateral damage is considered acceptable in pursuit of fulfilling a person’s responsibilities), and merit (why should the people accept someone in a position of authority or leadership when multiple other candidates without questionable ethical leanings exist).

Mussolini’s ability to make the trains run on time didn’t excuse the evil perpetrated at his direction. One of the key foundations of ethics is we as humans don’t play fast and loose with the suffering of others.
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Unshockingly, the White House. As allowed someone that recently was a controversial racist to continue working in the White House. I thought republicans were against that kinda behavior and “punish” those folks by firing them. Maybe Trump likes racists. Or they are ok with him. Maybe the Republican Party just is ok with racism.

You're just now waking up to that?


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No. That is most definitely not all that matters. To claim that all an individual in a position of responsibility must do is “their job” ignores issues of scope (what are their job responsibilities; who determines those responsibilities; who holds them accountable for fulfilling those responsibilities), ethics (by what criteria are the person’s actions determined to be morally acceptable; how much human suffering as collateral damage is considered acceptable in pursuit of fulfilling a person’s responsibilities), and merit (why should the people accept someone in a position of authority or leadership when multiple other candidates without questionable ethical leanings exist).

Mussolini’s ability to make the trains run on time didn’t excuse the evil perpetrated at his direction. One of the key foundations of ethics is we as humans don’t play fast and loose with the suffering of others.
Like I said, doing one's job and doing it correctly is first and foremost. Whether someone is racist or not is immaterial unless they act upon it.
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Old 10-26-2025, 08:31 PM   #23
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Hypothetically, perhaps. But there’s a logical reason why we don’t employ alcoholics as quality control tasters for spirits, thieves as night security for the jewelry store, or others to serve in roles where their predispositions could increase the likelihood of behavior that harms themselves or others.

You can’t blame a snake for being a snake, that much is true. But you can point your finger at the dunce in the mirror if you let the snake hang out in the henhouse and all the eggs somehow disappear.
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I’m a conservative myself, born and raised in Texas. I think the biggest issue right now is political polarization. To be fair, I’m not a big fan of Trump either as his administration went too far on some things, and his way of attacking opponents doesn’t help (though democrats aren’t innocent on that front either).

From my perspective, Trump isn’t the best choice for Republicans, and I honestly don’t understand why the party keeps backing him. They could've chosen someone who is more centrist and would like to depolarize the situation.
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Hypothetically, perhaps. But there’s a logical reason why we don’t employ alcoholics as quality control tasters for spirits, thieves as night security for the jewelry store, or others to serve in roles where their predispositions could increase the likelihood of behavior that harms themselves or others.

You can’t blame a snake for being a snake, that much is true. But you can point your finger at the dunce in the mirror if you let the snake hang out in the henhouse and all the eggs somehow disappear.
Well think about the true nature of an Alcoholic, which by the way is an actual disease or the true nature of a thief? Of course, it wouldn't be prudent to place them in a position where their dysfunction would be manifested. A racist on the other hand simply dislikes a particular group or groups of people based on up bringing, personal experience or opinion based upon personal observations.
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I’m a conservative myself, born and raised in Texas....They could've chosen someone who is more centrist and would like to depolarize the situation.
Basically you want to lose your Nation more slowly.

You realize who was a Nazi before Trump was? Yeah that squishy ghey loser from Utah, Mitch Romney.

You know who was a Nazi before him? GWB. Yeah, big talkin, no fightin, W who likes to play grab ass with Michelle Obama.

You know who was a Nazi before him? GHB. I even got bags of pigs blood thrown at me while in uniform during his administration...

You know who was a Nazi before him? Ronald Reagan.

There is NO Republican candidate whom the leftists will not villify and cast as a Nazi. Why? Because it's not us... its them. That's why we have Trump... and if Trump is unable to bring the administrative state/leftist cabal to heel... The next guy we get is gonna make Trump look like a Romney.
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From my perspective, Trump isn’t the best choice for Republicans, and I honestly don’t understand why the party keeps backing him. They could've chosen someone who is more centrist and would like to depolarize the situation.
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Basically you want to lose your Nation more slowly.....
He didn't say that. What he DID say seemed pretty reasonable. At least more so than the continual deranged brainwashed rants about the "administrative state/leftist cabal."
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He didn't say that. What he DID say seemed pretty reasonable.
LOL... The divisiveness in this nation is not due to Trump. The fact that all previous GOP nominees and Presidents have been compared to Hitler ought to clue you in.
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LOL... The divisiveness in this nation is not due to Trump. The fact that all previous GOP nominees and Presidents have been compared to Hitler ought to clue you in.
First of all are you sure about that statement? “all previous GOP nominees and Presidents have been compared to Hitler”. That’s just not true.

And you’re right that the division in our country is not due to Trump. But he surely ratcheted up the hateful rhetoric to eleven.
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First of all are you sure about that statement? “all previous GOP nominees and Presidents have been compared to Hitler”. That’s just not true.

And you’re right that the division in our country is not due to Trump. But he surely ratcheted up the hateful rhetoric to eleven.

what hateful rhetoric? calling out Hispanics for some of them and a large minority we are finding out are indeed bad hombres like Trump said? that's not hateful it's the truth.


it's true enough. the Democrats have repeatedly referred to Republican presidents and nominees as NAZI and Fascist.

only Eisenhower for obvious reasons wasn't labeled a NAZI the rest over 60 years have been.

this is the tactic of your party. you know it. everyone knows it.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...minee-fascist/


To update a famous quote attributed to Benjamin Franklin: In this world, nothing is certain except death and taxes — and Democrats labeling the Republican presidential candidate a fascist for the last 60 years.


It’s been an integral part of the Democratic political playbook, utilized almost as much as calling the Republican nominee a racist. Yet, somehow, after each warning, the Third Reich has yet to materialize in the United States. This includes when former President Donald Trump was president from 2017-2021. Despite six decades’ worth of Democratic warnings of impending fascist doom failing to come true, it has never prevented the left-wing party from engaging in Reductio ad Hitlerum.
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However, the constitutional republic’s appointed candidate for president, Vice President Kamala Harris, made headlines Wednesday when she stated that she believed Trump was a fascist. This tired, old, baseless trope lacks insight and intelligence. Most importantly, it is dishonest.


Consider the facts.


Let’s start with former Sen. Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) and his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention in 1964. Over 50 years before Trump decided to run for president, celebrities, journalists, politicians, and other politicos warned that the GOP presidential nominee was an extreme fascist who would cause considerable harm to the country. Goldwater, who served as a pilot during World War II, was likened to Nazis and fascists for promoting conservatism during his presidential campaign.



For example, the then-Democratic governor of California, Edmund Gerland “Pat” Brown, remarked about Goldwater’s acceptance speech, claiming it “had the stench of fascism. All we needed to hear was Heil Hitler.” It should be noted that Goldwater served as a pilot in the military during WWII. Brown didn’t have any military service at all.


Other comments about Goldwater included a scathing rebuke from civil rights leader Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
“We see dangerous signs of Hitlerism in the Goldwater campaign,” King said.



Baseball legend Jackie Robinson, who broke Major League Baseball’s color barrier, said of Goldwater’s speech, “I would say that I now believe I know how it felt to be a Jew in Hitler’s Germany.”



The then-mayor of San Francisco, the city where the 1964 Republican National Convention was held, said the GOP “had Mein Kampf as their political bible.”


The despicable comments continued the following election in 1968. Then-Vice President Hubert Humphrey, and Democratic nominee for president, remarked about the election, “If the British had not fought in 1940, Hitler would have been in London, and if Democrats do not fight in 1968, Nixon will be in the White House.”



Former President Richard Nixon won the election, but the Hitler, Nazi, and fascist comparisons never stopped. For example, in 1970, a political poster featured an image of Adolf Hitler, wearing a Nazi armband, holding a mask of Nixon.



Meanwhile, a news article from October 1972, available for viewing on the CIA’s website, referred to “Nixon’s Nazis” as part of commentary criticizing Nixon. Then there is a photograph from October 1973 of someone wearing a Nixon mask with a crown, giving the Nazi salute.


Gerald Ford followed Nixon as president and as a Republican who was called a fascist. In 1974, a member of the American Civil Liberties Union criticized Ford for his lack of punitive action against Nixon.


“If [President] Ford’s principle had been the rule in Nuremberg,” he said, “the Nazi leaders would have been let off, and only the people, who carried out their schemes, would have been tried,” the ACLU said at the time.


Additionally, in the Gerald Ford Library Museum, a document describes an interaction with a woman in 1975 in which Ford was harassed and repeatedly called a “fascist” and a “fascist pig.”


Surely, over a decade of accusations and allegations of fascism never coming to fruition would stop Democrats from calling Republicans Nazis, fascists, or comparing them to Hitler, right?


Wrong.


Former President Ronald Reagan was the next target in the Democrats’ line of unsubstantiated accusations of fascism.


Rep. William Clay (D-MO) stated that Reagan wanted to “replace the Bill of Rights with fascist precepts lifted verbatim from Mein Kampf.”



The Los Angeles Times cartoonist Paul Conrad drew a panel depicting Reagan plotting a fascist putsch in a darkened Munich beer hall. Harry Stein (later a conservative convert) wrote in Esquire that the voters who supported Reagan were comparable to the “good Germans” in “Hitler’s Germany.”


American Enterprise Institute scholar Steven Hayward highlighted another incident in which the intelligentsia and academia also contributed to the Reagan fascist comparisons when John Roth, a Holocaust scholar from the Claremont Colleges, commented about Reagan’s election:


“I could not help remembering how 40 years ago economic turmoil had conspired with Nazi nationalism and militarism — all intensified by Germany’s defeat in World War I​—to send the world reeling into catastrophe. … It is not entirely mistaken to contemplate our postelection state with fear and trembling.”


Former President George W. Bush might have been the Republican politician who faced the harshest and most vile criticism before Trump. Bush was regularly called every dirty name in the book, from racist to Nazi to fascist to war criminal. There are many examples of linking Bush to Hitler, Nazis, and fascists.


In 2012, Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT), the same Romney so many Democrats love today, was also linked to Nazis and fascism. One delegate from Kansas (at the time) said Romney was a habitual liar and likened him to Hitler “while criticizing the accuracy of Romney’s campaign talking points.”



A chairman of the California Democratic Party compared then-vice presidential candidate (and eventual former Speaker of the House) Paul Ryan, again, the same Ryan loved by many Democrats today, to Nazi filmmaker and propagandist Joseph Goebbels.



Does any of this sound familiar? It should. It is the same line of attacks Democrats have used against Trump.


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Democrats first warned Trump was a fascist in 2015 and 2016. They repeated the attacks throughout his presidency and reelection campaign in 2020 and are resurrecting it today. It’s indicative of how vile and divisive the Democrats are, all the while claiming and portraying themselves as civil and respectful. It’s nonsense.



It is pure, unadulterated, radical, extremist, left-wing propaganda. The only people who believe these Nazi and fascist comparisons are the massively brainwashed and indoctrinated Democrat voters and left-wing sycophants. No one should believe any of these attacks. After all, Democrats have a six-decade-long history of being proven wrong in comparing Republicans to fascists and Nazis.









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