Letitia loses, 500 mil judgement tossed in court

[eyecu2]

To the conservatives- what do you think the proper punishment for civil fraud should be- as the original court found fraud, and the appellate court also concluded the same.

I know there will be some out there claiming no harm - no foul no matter how much Trump lied, or the infamous disclaimer- that read/ eat/ shit at your own risk- but those legal disclaimers don't protect someone from doing fraudulent types of actions. If you profit from lies, or coercion or from outright flaggarent improper financial documents, and there are plenty of people who have paid fines, or imprisoned for doing so- what would be a suitable outcome for the Trumps for you all?

Of course I don't expect the REDHats to agree with the above- but putting your bias aside for a moment and just acknowledging that two levels of courts have show him to be guilty of fraud- what would you say is proper punishment or fines?

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

To the conservatives- what do you think the proper punishment for civil fraud should be- as the original court found fraud, and the appellate court also concluded the same.

I know there will be some out there claiming no harm - no foul no matter how much Trump lied, or the infamous disclaimer- that read/ eat/ shit at your own risk- but those legal disclaimers don't protect someone from doing fraudulent types of actions. If you profit from lies, or coercion or from outright flaggarent improper financial documents, and there are plenty of people who have paid fines, or imprisoned for doing so- what would be a suitable outcome for the Trumps for you all?

Of course I don't expect the REDHats to agree with the above- but putting your bias aside for a moment and just acknowledging that two levels of courts have show him to be guilty of fraud- what would you say is proper punishment or fines?

I’m onboard for the original fine but the appeals court disagreed. I’m a big fan of the fine amount being commensurate with the resources of the offender. If it doesn’t hurt then you won’t see a change of behavior.

[Devo]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

To the conservatives- what do you think the proper punishment for civil fraud should be- as the original court found fraud, and the appellate court also concluded the same.

I know there will be some out there claiming no harm - no foul no matter how much Trump lied, or the infamous disclaimer- that read/ eat/ shit at your own risk- but those legal disclaimers don't protect someone from doing fraudulent types of actions. If you profit from lies, or coercion or from outright flaggarent improper financial documents, and there are plenty of people who have paid fines, or imprisoned for doing so- what would be a suitable outcome for the Trumps for you all?

Of course I don't expect the REDHats to agree with the above- but putting your bias aside for a moment and just acknowledging that two levels of courts have show him to be guilty of fraud- what would you say is proper punishment or fines?

Mar a Lago was listed as an 18 million dollar asset by the prosecutors, when in actuality its probaly worth a billion dollars.

A prosecution that ignores facts to get a conviction, is not a system I would view as a valid one, that was purely a politcally motivated fake punishment to prevent Trump from becoming President.

And, if was Biden instead of Trump, you'd say exactly what I am now.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Devo

Mar a Lago was listed as an 18 million dollar asset by the prosecutors, when in actuality its probaly worth a billion dollars.

A prosecution that ignores facts to get a conviction, is not a system I would view as a valid one, that was purely a politcally motivated fake punishment to prevent Trump from becoming President.

And, if was Biden instead of Trump, you'd say exactly what I am now.

The system worked as intended. What are you complaining about? The fact is that he’s guilty of committing fraud in the state of NY. If it was up to me they should be auditing and prosecuting more than just him. Imagine where we would be if they prosecuted Purdue Pharma for drug trafficking earlier on in the opioid epidemic. Big Business gets away with too much bad behavior because the government lets people and corporations off too lightly. And that includes El Schitzenpants.

[Devo]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

The system worked as intended. What are you complaining about? The fact is that he’s guilty of committing fraud in the state of NY. If it was up to me they should be auditing and prosecuting more than just him. Imagine where we would be if they prosecuted Purdue Pharma for drug trafficking earlier on in the opioid epidemic. Big Business gets away with too much bad behavior because the government lets people and corporations off too lightly. And that includes El Schitzenpants.

The system was rigged to begin with, and even though they didn't remove the charge, the fine itself was unconstitutional becase they intended that to begin with.

We'll see in battle 2, when the charge gets dismissed.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Devo

The system was rigged to begin with, and even though they didn't remove the charge, the fine itself was unconstitutional becase they intended that to begin with.

We'll see in battle 2, when the charge gets dismissed.

If it was so “RIGGED” then why did the appeals court confirm the guilty verdict?

A five-judge panel of New York’s mid-level Appellate Division overturned Trump’s whopping monetary penalty while narrowly endorsing a lower court’s finding that he, his company and co-defendants engaged in fraud by padding his wealth on financial statements he used to secure loans and make deals.

The man’s a crook Devo and a douche bag to boot.

[Jacuzzme]

To the conservatives- what do you think the proper punishment for civil fraud should be- as the original court found fraud, and the appellate court also concluded the same.

Who was defrauded?

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by Devo

The system was rigged to begin with

This is the premise that trump starts with every time he intends to break the law. And somehow, it keeps working on his supporters. He can break any law he wants, and his people are fine with it, because it was rigged to begin with.

Lol. It's a cult. Nobody is above the law, except Dear Leader.

[Devo]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Who was defrauded?

But, but, but.....................

Yeah, the only time the fraud was so profitable they all wanted him to do it again.

I think that's called doing good business.

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by Devo

Mar a Lago was listed as an 18 million dollar asset by the prosecutors, when in actuality its probaly worth a billion dollars.

A prosecution that ignores facts to get a conviction, is not a system I would view as a valid one, that was purely a politcally motivated fake punishment to prevent Trump from becoming President.

And, if was Biden instead of Trump, you'd say exactly what I am now.

The question wasn't tell me that the prosection was purely political.

It wasn't all political.

Both the original case and even the appellate Court found reasonable conclusions of fraud. And not just a questionable kind but rather flagrant and without remorse. saying the president's credibility was "severely compromised," that the frauds "shock the conscience" and that Trump and his co-defendants showed a "complete lack of contrition and remorse" that he said "borders on pathological."

The appellate Court did not discharge the fraud just the fine.

What do you think would be a suitable fine for what the trumps have done?

But the question was was what is a suitable penalty for fraud?

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Who was defrauded?

no one of course. certainly not Deutsche Bank. NY State was cheated out of Nada in money.

James ran on Get Trump and concocted this to do it. the judge discounted and rejected the fact that the loan Deutsche Bank wasn't a commercial real estate contract so any talk there is useless it was actually a high net worth lending group in Deutsche Bank who wanted to hook Trump as the clearly high roller he is.



there was zero commercial fraud zero loss and Deutsche Bank set the rates and Trump repaid the loan. there was no crime and to say the amount was meant to be tossed is both against the Rule of Law and proof it was political lawfare.

[Devo]

Originally Posted by tommy156

This is the premise that trump starts with every time he intends to break the law. And somehow, it keeps working on his supporters. He can break any law he wants, and his people are fine with it, because it was rigged to begin with.

Lol. It's a cult. Nobody is above the law, except Dear Leader.

HMMM, very much like the trials for lynching blacks in the post civil war south, when juries were filled with Southern Democrats?

Trumps Judge and Jury were no different.

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

The question wasn't tell me that the prosection was purely political.

It wasn't all political.

LOLOL!

Both the original case and even the appellate Court found reasonable conclusions of fraud. And not just a questionable kind but rather flagrant and without remorse. saying the president's credibility was "severely compromised," that the frauds "shock the conscience" and that Trump and his co-defendants showed a "complete lack of contrition and remorse" that he said "borders on pathological."

Drama queen much?

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Who was defrauded?

Originally Posted by Devo

But, but, but.....................

Yeah, the only time the fraud was so profitable they all wanted him to do it again.

I think that's called doing good business.

People who say things like this really don’t get it. Lying on your financial documents to fool the other party is fraud. It doesn’t matter if anyone was hurt or not. This is the kind of greedy unethical behavior that led to the mortgage crisis in 2008 and created a worldwide recession.

It’s not “Good Business”. It’s morally reprehensible and thinking that it’s OK just means you have the ethics of a used car salesman.

[HDGristle]

Yup