So what charge is Officer Chauvin going to face and what will be the verdict?

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Why would it be negligent homicide if that wasn’t the cause of death?

Good question. Is "making sure the guy can't be resuscitated" a crime?

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

the reason was it was a payoff for riot insurance...

I wouldn't want to be the insurance company backing that policy. There's going to be riots whatever the outcome.

Originally Posted by winn dixie

Gawd damn. The dude was a douche bag. Fuck him and his rap sheet. The lsm should be educating folks to not resist and do what the police say! No matter what! Instead they make things worse with their pc agendas!
....

Its a known secret the LSM is being driven by the Dims and their outrage crowd. They literally get emails, conference calls and playsheets on what to run. That's why when you turn on the TV most of the news organizations have 90% of the same content.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

Yeah he is. There is no way he is not doing serious time. His family received that large of a settlement for a reason and he hasn't even gone to trial. The city threw him under the bus with that settlement alone. Who the fuck gives out a settlement like that before the criminal case has even been adjudicated? So yeah, he is fucked as he should be.

Was Floyd right with his actions? Hell no. But just tase his ass and cuff him. You don't have to kneel on his neck for almost 9 minutes.

Baltimore did the same thing in the Freddy Grey case with a big payout before trial but the cops were acquitted even though Grey died in their custody and the same could very well happen here. And with the amount of drugs in his system and being as agitated as he was, the Taser could have very well have stopped his heart as Taser's have done in the past on people with severe medical conditions.


I think you would be hard pressed to find anybody that doesn't think Chauvin should be "punished" in some way for perhaps "callous disregard", "depraved indifference" but murder? Hell no! Manslaughter? Nope, can't go that far either. So if those are the only charges available, I would have to acquit. Hell, you couldn't even charge him for disregarding his training since his training allowed for the knee to the neck.



The only reason a prosecutor takes a lesser charge off the table, is to "appease" the mob thinking if they give the jury a chance for a short sentence, they will jeopardize their chance at re-election or future appointment.


In this case and every case, a jury should be able to, in consultation with the prosecutor, find a reasonable punishment not one for purely political reason.


Over on MSNBC in an interview with a Black attorney, he said it was important that there be Blacks on the jury so that the "right" verdict would be decided and he said it with a straight face.

[GastonGlock]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

I wouldn't want to be the insurance company backing that policy. There's going to be riots whatever the outcome.

He was being sardonic, he was calling the settlement "riot insurance" the same way mobsters call protection money "insurance". meaning the city paid out of fear that they didn't, they'd be paying more in blood, overtime, and property destruction. There's no actual insurance company footing that bill, just the taxpayers.

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by royamcr

Cop is fucked. I can see his actions if he had no backup. The Asian cop was doing crowd control instead of maybe securing Floyd's hands and feet.

Paramedics did nothing on the scene, no life saving measures at all. Paramedics should be charged also.

"Defund
Disarm
Disband and Prosecute-the Police
and EMT's - they 'trigger' snowflakes, of course.



Do that in your own state - 'r' - u deserve what you ask for.

[Lucas McCain]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

[SIZE=3]Baltimore did the same thing in the Freddy Grey case with a big payout before trial but the cops were acquitted even though Grey died in their custody and the same could very well happen here.

I hear you, but this is a different time and a completely different climate. You were innocent until proven guilty 5 years ago. That's not how it works now. And Floyd wasn't killed in Baltimore where people are immune to death committed by others... there is no way in hell that cop will not be doing serious time as he should IMO.

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by GastonGlock

He was being sardonic, he was calling the settlement "riot insurance" the same way mobsters call protection money "insurance". meaning the city paid out of fear that they didn't, they'd be paying more in blood, overtime, and property destruction. There's no actual insurance company footing that bill, just the taxpayers.

whew, finally

with what happens with wtf and wtf, although I know not to allow his inanity to reflect on others, he causes me to wonder about this place

[WTF]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

whew, finally

with what happens with wtf and wtf, although I know not to allow his inanity to reflect on others, he causes me to wonder about this place

Don't blame your ignorance on me!

[royamcr]

Originally Posted by oeb11

"Defund
Disarm
Disband and Prosecute-the Police
and EMT's - they 'trigger' snowflakes, of course.



Do that in your own state - 'r' - u deserve what you ask for.

Dumb Boris, nothing is being defunded. Police need training in that a knee doesn't have a heart rate monitor.

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

Good question. Is "making sure the guy can't be resuscitated" a crime?

....

I'm serious. Kamala Harris wants to know the answer to that question.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by royamcr

There were a lot of people around that I am sure wanted to tackle that idiot and get him off his neck. They didn't want to be arrested for interfering, or worse, shot by the fucktard police.

There was a point where he wasn't talking, and the knee stayed on his neck 2-3 minutes past that point.

At a minimum this should be negligent homicide or Manslaughter. The Asian cop is an accessory. The paramedics should have at least tried to revive him instead of picking him up like a dead carcass on the side of the road.

If whatever was in Floyd's system is determined to be a definitive factor in Floyd's death Chauvin walks. If that's the case Chauvin will be fired for violating Departmental Policy for the use of an unauthorized tactic in subduing a suspect.

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by gnadfly
Good question. Is "making sure the guy can't be resuscitated" a crime?

Originally Posted by gnadfly

I'm serious. Kamala Harris wants to know the answer to that question.

from what you have posted it appears she, knowing the state's case is weak, is lending an argument for premeditation

that, on purpose and with knowledge, Chauvin kept him pinned till hope was gone for medical aid

as if she could read his mind

riling up the crowd, shes good at that

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

If whatever was in Floyd's system is determined to be a definitive factor in Floyd's death Chauvin walks. If that's the case Chauvin will be fired for violating Departmental Policy for the use of an unauthorized tactic in subduing a suspect.

Did you miss the official training video that had the training officer demonstrating the knee to the neck restraint? It was part of the Tucker Carlson report I posted, but they will find some reason to fire him for sure if he walks or he will resign just like the cop that shot Michael Brown did knowing he could never be a cop again.

[royamcr]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

If whatever was in Floyd's system is determined to be a definitive factor in Floyd's death Chauvin walks. If that's the case Chauvin will be fired for violating Departmental Policy for the use of an unauthorized tactic in subduing a suspect.

The question will be would he have died if a knee wasn't on his neck for 9 minutes. Paramedics have drugs to counteract overdoses. Not sure, but some police may even have it for a first responder situation. Narcan or epi maybe?

Like previously mentioned, I do remember a tactic of neck restraint. I doubt it was for prolonged restraint. I can see how it can be effective for a short period of time until the perp is secured. Knee on the neck would prevent spitting on the officers or biting. It would be for officer safety. But just not 9 minutes. I could see it for that long if the cop was waiting for backup. There were other officers that could have restrained in this case.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by royamcr

The question will be would he have died if a knee wasn't on his neck for 9 minutes. Paramedics have drugs to counteract overdoses. Not sure, but some police may even have it for a first responder situation. Narcan or epi maybe?

Like previously mentioned, I do remember a tactic of neck restraint. I doubt it was for prolonged restraint. I can see how it can be effective for a short period of time until the perp is secured. Knee on the neck would prevent spitting on the officers or biting. It would be for officer safety. But just not 9 minutes. I could see it for that long if the cop was waiting for backup. There were other officers that could have restrained in this case.

And that question seems to have been answered with statements like "it would have been no big surprise to find Floyd dead at home with the amount of drugs in his system, especially Fentanyal 3 times or better the amount that would kill a man.


Talk about your "reasonable doubt defense". Then there is the "official autopsy" report, not the one done by doctors who were paid by the Floyd family with some of that 27 million dollar wrongful death settlement that said death by asphyxia but the one by the county medical examiner. Now I'm not going to say I know what that report actually says but it has been "suggested/ reported" that death by asphyxia/ strangulation, was not the cause of death but a cardiopulmonary event or in lay terms, a heart attack due to the drugs in his system and his agitation which will clearly be seen on the video that I put up and those jurors will see. "If" that is introduced as the official cause of death, then Chauvin did not cause that death, George Floyd did by his own actions. And remember, the officers did not know at the time he had ingested drugs because Floyd repeatedly told them he had not and that is also clear on the video. So he lied to the police and I don't think you give Narcan to people when you aren't sure they have ingested drugs.



They will see a man so distraught that he is calling out for his mother, crying, saying "I can't breathe" long before being put on the ground with a knee to his neck. As a matter of fact which can be seen in the video, Floyd asked the police to take him out of the backseat of the patrol car because he couldn't breathe in there. He asked to be removed and placed on the ground. Pretty sure he didn't ask for that knee to the neck for 9 minutes which in anybodies book has to be seen as "excessive" but did it meet a standard of criminally?


No lawyer here but I believe there could be a charge of "depraved indifference" which is Assault in the 1st degree in some States but that is not on the charge sheet. This prosecutor wants nothing less than manslaughter and he didn't even want that at first. They wanted nothing less than 2nd degree murder and somebody probably started whispering to the prosecutor that after looking at "all the evidence" and not just how horrible that scene on the ground was, they were not going to get a murder conviction.


If I was on that jury not having heard all the evidence but from what I think I know, I could go with Assault in the 1st degree but nothing higher than that and I still see the possibility as crazy as it sounds, that with those charges, the only ones available to the jury, he could walk just like the Freddy Grey cops did.


And if Lucas is right and innocent till proven guilty in a court of law by evidence is no longer the law of the land, he will be convicted because Blacks and Progressives "need it" to send a message that they want sent.


Is that the justice we now what for America? A "send a message" verdict to appease the mob?

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by royamcr

The question will be would he have died if a knee wasn't on his neck for 9 minutes. Paramedics have drugs to counteract overdoses. Not sure, but some police may even have it for a first responder situation. Narcan or epi maybe?

Like previously mentioned, I do remember a tactic of neck restraint. I doubt it was for prolonged restraint. I can see how it can be effective for a short period of time until the perp is secured. Knee on the neck would prevent spitting on the officers or biting. It would be for officer safety. But just not 9 minutes. I could see it for that long if the cop was waiting for backup. There were other officers that could have restrained in this case.

Well first of all an EMT would have to know what was in Floyd's system and what to give him to counteract the side affects. Secondly the placement of Chauvin's knee was not directly applying pressure over Floyd's throat cutting off his airway which would have made it difficult for Floyd to breath and impossible for him to speak, which he was able to do ,thus his airway was not obstructed. Floyd's death was not by means of choking. The fact that he died while in Police custody doesn't necessarily mean it was due to anything the Police did directly. From video footage it appears Floyd was complaining he couldn't breath before Chauvin ever had him on the ground. So there is a lot of unknowns about this whole incident.