Attention New Ladies or Ladies that remember when they were new and someone offered to help them get verified.....

[Beagle]

Ok, I think I finally understood what she's talking about. Here's the translation.

She's referring to supamates, who supposedly reviewed her here:

http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=889866

The same member then posted an alert, alluding to LE sting operation associated with Summer. This happened back in October:

http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=889193&highlight=

Summer felt that JJ should have stood up for her and spoken up on her behalf when supamates started spouting rumors. Reason being, JJ knew Summer from before and should already be able to vouch for her.

On top of that, she felt the alert thread should have been closed 3 months ago, instead of waiting till Summer popped in to say her piece. So, Summer felt like she was shut out from the opportunity to defend herself.

She felt like JJ helping to get her verified within 24 hrs was his way of making up to her, in hopes that she'd drop the matter and just move on with her life....

[mayorcastro]

Originally Posted by Whispers

Really Rover? You can't tell what she is saying?

Your comments are an example of why some ladies suffer in silence rather than speaking up. She has a story and others may as well. They should not have to deal with people getting ugly from the onset.... If it doesn't become clearer perhaps someone else will explain it to you.

I hear it all the time when I bring it up myself... Why can't the ladies step up for themselves.....

Well.... your post is an example of why.

I wasn't going to bust her balls over grammar but I found it hard to follow. I couldn't tell if JJ was the good guy or the bad guy.

[Whispers]

I was writing my version while you were writing yours Beagle....

Originally Posted by Beagle

Ok, I think I finally understood what she's talking about. Here's the translation.

She's referring to supamates, who supposedly reviewed her here:

http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=889866

The same member then posted an alert, alluding to LE sting operation associated with Summer. This happened back in October:

http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=889193&highlight=

Summer felt that JJ should have stood up for her and spoken up on her behalf when supamates started spouting rumors. Reason being, JJ knew Summer from before and should already be able to vouch for her.

On top of that, she felt the alert thread should have been closed 3 months ago, instead of waiting till Summer popped in to say her piece. So, Summer felt like she was shut out from the opportunity to defend herself.

She felt like JJ helping to get her verified within 24 hrs was his way of making up to her, in hopes that she'd drop the matter and just move on with her life....

That is a possibility..... But if you put it in the context of the thread and what I am looking for I think she said something more ominous.

Here is my version.....


WOW! Some of you simply look for it to be difficult.....

Let me tell you how I interpret it.....

What is the subject of the thread?

male members of the community that try to get freebies off the new and less knowledgeable ladies as they join.... predatory behavior... members using their status......

I believe one of the ladies had a thread running complaining about this kind of behavior....

Stands to reason she is responding to the OP's 1st post right? Let me try this with you. Follow along......

considering her first statement

Originally Posted by iamsummer

I guess I'll be the first.... <== She's stepping up with a story of something she experienced. Nobody else has yet.

Shout out to JJ ((waving hand)) excellent job at being a "mod" you conduct yourself role well.... You want me to tell them or you wanna be the first?

That sounds like sarcasm to me and that she has a problem with JJ..If that was all she had written it would not but in context to all of her other tatements and 2nd post......

***kiddos on closing the alert that placed me in the middle of it. Don't you think the way the forum went "horribly bad" oh I don't know 3 months ago it should have closed! It's funny though I don't think anyone knows but you actually met me and spent a good amount of time with me and usually your pretty good at putting your opinion out if you know the person.

I read that to mean that she's pissed that JJ locked the Alert Thread and had some knowledge he could have shared that would have put her in a better light maybe? She is maybe stating that he spent a good amount of time with her and knew some things that were relevant but he never commented back then....

You've done it before. did you even remotely feel that I would be associated with a pimp or scam on eccie with another account? Hmmmm I'm pretty sure from what it appeared to me you liked my personality I'm sure if you felt weird about me it would have been said "IJS" but to close the alert ending it with basically "oh wanna bully bash also discredit some one open a thread!" REALLY ?!?!? Who does that.

She's not only pissed that JJ closed the thread but in closing it he made a statement she feels is suggesting someone reopen it to bash her....

Personally I found the invitation to others the way he phrased it to be out of character with another recent thread closing

In the 2nd one he does not invite people to open a new thread to discuss GFX.


Everyone knows my views. I don't believe either thread should be locked. The guideline regarding old threads is in reference to reviews only . There is no guideline saying we cannot reopen threads that are old.outside of the review forums.


When JJ would not reopen the GFX thread I suggested he lock the Alert thread fr the same reasons for consistency. Actually I expected him to decide to reopen the GFX thread.


His comment regarding IAMSUMMER's affiliation to SUPAMATE seems personal and trivial If he's locking threads for getting off track again there are a hell of a lot of them....


But of course no one knew you knew me only well the ones that got involved ((cough cough)) it's our personal staff secret

She not only has a gripe with JJ about something she is upset with other staff members as well.

OH YEAH IF ANYONE THINKS VOICES THERE OPINION ON WHAT I JUST SAID IS A GOOD IDEA I WOULD STOP RIGHT BEFORE YOU HIT THE KEY CAUSE YOU DONT WANNA DISCREDIT ME. IT WOULD BE VERY EMBARRASSING CAUSE WE ALL KNEW WHAT HAPPENED WITH GFX AND JUMPING SIDES TO EARLY.

I read the last statement to be that she believes that in the long run something will come out that will have everyone saying "Oh Shit"... we should have waited for the whole story....

Originally Posted by iamsummer

Oh just FYI
JJ WANTED ME TO WELL GET VERIFIED FOR FREE.

In light of the subject matter of the thread I read this as JJ tried to solicit a free session from her in exchange for his verification of her as a verified provider.

Forgot to mention that oh wait we don't I guess since I was made to feel like I was a lair. But hey no hush money just a verification 24hrs later and never brought up again

I tie the last statement back to her being upset with other staff. Why? She was made to feel like a liar, did not get any money out of it but did get her verified provider status. It sounds to like she tried to report it when it happened and feels noone listened to her and they verified her to shut her up.

Really folks..... Is it that hard? When I read something I do not understand I tend to go read other things a member has written as well I try to put it in contexts and ask myself what is it that they are trying to tell us? It's a emotional subject and understandable that she probably posted hastily and was upset.

IS there any substance to her claim? I don't know... We would need to probably hear the same story from others to know for sure right?

I posted the thread looking for people that would step up with information like this.

Why? because the more we post in San Antonio the more some folks decide that maybe there can be some speaking out on things and if they can't maybe they can get one of us to do so for them.

If there is truth in what she is saying it makes sense that unless this was the one and only time it would be something that the member did before and perhaps someone else will share some info.

If not.... It does not necessarily mean that she did not experience it. That is up to everyone else to decide based on everything they hear/read.

I think you folks ought to sit back and reserve judgement..... She seems to think that in the long run people will believe what she has to say....

There is the possibility that I am totally reading it wrong.

There are some questions here though that I will ask in time if a discussion ensues.

[Hiker78]

I suspect there is more to it beagle. I sure would like to hear JJ's response to what she is talking about. I am betting old whispers is intends to roll some heads again.

[Guest101618]

Originally Posted by Beagle

Ok, I think I finally understood what she's talking about. Here's the translation.

She's referring to supamates, who supposedly reviewed her here:

http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=889866

The same member then posted an alert, alluding to LE sting operation associated with Summer. This happened back in October:

http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=889193&highlight=

Summer felt that JJ should have stood up for her and spoken up on her behalf when supamates started spouting rumors. Reason being, JJ knew Summer from before and should already be able to vouch for her.

On top of that, she felt the alert thread should have been closed 3 months ago, instead of waiting till Summer popped in to say her piece. So, Summer felt like she was shut out from the opportunity to defend herself.

She felt like JJ helping to get her verified within 24 hrs was his way of making up to her, in hopes that she'd drop the matter and just move on with her life....

Thank you, Beagle. That was what I needed. I didn't mean to imply I wanted to bust her up or discourage her. I really wanted to understand the message because all I got is she seemed upset with JJ. I know Whispers wants to maintain the ongoing dispute with JJ and his ilk, but I don't see JJ as a problem, but am willing to accept new information if I have the key to decipher it.

And the bullshit implication that I was insulting her? Bite my King Size Cock, Whispers. I know I'm not in touch with the lingo of the youth. That is why I asked for help. How the hell can I be sympathetic to her story if I don't understand it? All you can muster is an attack while Beagle applied himself and offered an explanation. While it is true you do illumine the ugly underside of the hobby in the effort to right some wrongs, it is clear your goal is drama, not altruistic in nature. But please, prove me wrong.

[Beagle]

Ah cripes, I left out details as to how I think it relates to the title of this thread. My understanding is that it was supamates who tried to get a freebie out of Summer. When that failed, he resorted to spreading rumors through his alert thread. And the mods not challenging supamate's claims was what disappointed Summer, especially JJ who knew Summer personally.

[savak]

Originally Posted by Hiker78

I am betting old whispers is intends to roll some heads again.

whispers is like the george rr martin of eccie. San Antoni Eccie is his 'game of thrones' and the mods on this board are like the Starks (minus Mokoa, I don't want to talk down the Starks exactly).



all Whispers needs to do now is lose his dickish personality and get a show on HBO.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Beagle

Ok, I think I finally understood what she's talking about. Here's the translation.

She's referring to supamates, who supposedly reviewed her here:

http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=889866

The same member then posted an alert, alluding to LE sting operation associated with Summer. This happened back in October:

http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=889193&highlight=

He did not allude to it being associated with summer. In the thread there is a shift in posting styles that I read first as a BF/Pimp and 2ndly as a provider. 2 seperate people posting from the account.

Summer felt that JJ should have stood up for her and spoken up on her behalf when supamates started spouting rumors. Reason being, JJ knew Summer from before and should already be able to vouch for her.

On top of that, she felt the alert thread should have been closed 3 months ago, instead of waiting till Summer popped in to say her piece. So, Summer felt like she was shut out from the opportunity to defend herself.

I agree....

She felt like JJ helping to get her verified within 24 hrs was his way of making up to her, in hopes that she'd drop the matter and just move on with her life....

I think the last comment is not accurate in light of the subject matter of my thread, her comment regarding JJ wanting her to get verified for free and her issues with others that may have been involved...

I had looked at that alert thread and had a set of opinions on it. Open the profile and read the tag.... it's almost the same as hers..... Was it her or was it a hatchet job being done on her?

If it was her it seems the Mods would have locked out the first handle...

Her current handle was created the day before the last post....

There is a story to the alert thread but I don't think that is what her real gripe is. I think JJs comment in closing the thread triggered her to speak up about something that she was holding in that she feels was not handled properly.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Rover14

Thank you, Beagle. That was what I needed. I didn't mean to imply I wanted to bust her up or discourage her. I really wanted to understand the message because all I got is she seemed upset with JJ. I know Whispers wants to maintain the ongoing dispute with JJ and his ilk, but I don't see JJ as a problem, but am willing to accept new information if I have the key to decipher it.

And the bullshit implication that I was insulting her? Bite my King Size Cock, Whispers. I know I'm not in touch with the lingo of the youth. That is why I asked for help. How the hell can I be sympathetic to her story if I don't understand it? All you can muster is an attack while Beagle applied himself and offered an explanation. While it is true you do illumine the ugly underside of the hobby in the effort to right some wrongs, it is clear your goal is drama, not altruistic in nature. But please, prove me wrong.

Read my version Rover..... I was probably typing at the same time as Beagle and as always I am long winded.

I was breaking it down as well.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Beagle

Ah cripes, I left out details as to how I think it relates to the title of this thread. My understanding is that it was supamates who tried to get a freebie out of Summer. When that failed, he resorted to spreading rumors through his alert thread. And the mods not challenging supamate's claims was what disappointed Summer, especially JJ who knew Summer personally.

Plausible until you look at the dates of the review in relation to Summer joining ECCIE. IAMSUMMER does not seem to exist on ECCIE

Can someone get verified as a provider BEFORE they open an account? I think the attempts of summer to get verified probably came after joining

I can think of a dozen questions surrounding all of this for later....

[Whispers]

I can admit, before anyone mentions it, that I interpret what she posted to be along the lines of what I was looking for. although I would have preferred to hear Mokoa demonized.... Maybe in time.... he is elusive...

There are always complaints of ladies getting taken advantage of by prominent members...Mods getting freebies is a running joke for years.....

In the responses I am looking for those that support claims made by others naturally..

Beagle could be correct in his interpretation.

[Beagle]

I reread the alert thread and the "review" thread. You're right, Whispers.

There was change in posting style, reflective of 2 person using the same handle. The first 2 posts in the alert thread indicates it's the provider posting. The "review" thread and the remaining posts in the alert thread would be consistent with that of a pimp's.

Summer's pissed at JJ for not refuting rumors about her having a pimp. And the verification process was just JJ's way of making it up to Summer, for not speaking up on her behalf.

I'm enjoying this critical analysis exercise

[Guest081519]

This is going to turn into a whole he said/she said hate thread. So, let me explain my side of the story before things get too crazy.

Summer appeared on the board back on November. She was new on the board, she didn't have reviews, and she was interested in becoming a verified provider. She caught my eye, because the pics she used when she first showed up looked extremely young and I wanted to make sure she was at least 18 years old.

I asked her if she knew any verified providers or well known hobbyists that would be willing to vouch for her. She gave me the name of a verified provider (VP) she knew and I contacted that VP. I asked the VP friend if she was willing to vouch for her friend. Her friend did not want to vouch for her. I should have left it alone, but her age still bothered me.

I asked Summer if she wanted to meet and she agreed. I was talking with her on the phone until I arrived and parked. There was a suspicious individual lounging in the parking lot. He got on the phone and started looking my way a minute after I got off the phone with Summer. This made me suspicious.

I arrived at the room and I was glad to meet a lady that didn't look as young as her pics. We had a nice conversation, but I was still suspicious. I didn't know if this lady was a scam artist, working with LE, or someone working for reporter. I asked if she wanted to do this and move things along. We had not discussed a donation at this point and I did not want to do so with someone that I didn't know or trust yet.

She seemed receptive to me, so I advanced forward and then asked for money. I simply grinned and told her that I did not trade money for sex, because that was illegal. After that, she clammed up and I understood that there was nothing that I could say to turn things around. So I simply said good bye and I left. Now many of you are thinking if I was going to leave the lady empty handed. Of course not. I just wasn't going to risk myself even more than I already had and become ensnared by LE or the Six O'Clock News.

The moment I walked out, the same suspicious guy started texting and giving me the evil eye.

I think that this was just a misunderstanding on both our parts, and I apologize to the young lady if she thought that I was going to take advantage of her.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Beagle

Summer's pissed at JJ for not refuting rumors about her having a pimp. And the verification process was just JJ's way of making it up to Summer, for not speaking up on her behalf.

If what you are suggesting is that JJ gave IAMSUMMER Provider Status without any intimate knowledge of her being legitimate as in experiencing her skills.... well If that is a case then San Antonio has a problem with Provider Verifications wouldn't you think? Write that down for a separate thread, Who actually saw IAMSUMMER and vouched for her Verification? I've always felt we should be able to see that somehow....

I'm enjoying this critical analysis exercise

You may not in time..... Continuing like this your going to be labled one of my lackies and accused of being on my payroll.... Shit the number of guys over the years that have been accused of that.... any truth and I would be broke long ago...

[Beagle]

Originally Posted by Whispers

Plausible until you look at the dates of the review in relation to Summer joining ECCIE. IAMSUMMER does not seem to exist on ECCIE

Can someone get verified as a provider BEFORE they open an account? I think the attempts of summer to get verified probably came after joining

I can think of a dozen questions surrounding all of this for later....

Summer did not start an ECCIE handle for herself till Nov 7 2013. The alert thread and "review" thread started by supamate gave the impression that Summer-cum-pimp was active since Oct, when in fact Summer had no affiliation with supamate at all. Basically, supamate was parading as Summer-cum-pimp. And Summer felt that JJ should have said something about it.


EDIT: Wrote ^^^ before I saw JJ's post