Chinese Exceptionalism

[Tiny]

The Uniparty fails again!

Here are worldwide rankings of universities.

Leiden Rankings, based on scientific output:

1. Zhejiang Univerity
2. Shanghai Jiao Tong University
3. Harvard University
4. Sichuan University
5. Central South University (China)
6. Huazhong University Science & Technology
7. Sun Yat-sen University
8. Xi'an Jiaotong University
9. Tsinghua University
10. University Toronto

https://traditional.leidenranking.com/ranking/2025/list


The Nature Index, based on research output:

1. Harvard University
2. University of Science and Technology (China)
3. Zhejiang University
4. Peking University
5. Tsinghua University
6. University of Chinese Academy of Sciences
7. Shanghai Jiao Tong University
8. Nanjing University
9. Fudan University
10. Sichuan University

https://www.nature.com/nature-index/...lobal/academic


Informatics Institute's Ranking, based on academic performance:

1. Harvard University
2. Universite Paris Cite
3. University of Toronto
4. University College London
5. Zhejiang University
6. Shanghai Jiao Tong University
7. Tsinghua University
8. University of Oxford
9. Stanford University
10. Peking University

https://urapcenter.org/Rankings/2024...king_2024-2025

More here: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/15/u...rump-cuts.html, of course (given the source) emphasizing Trump's recent cuts to higher education. Now I agree Trump way overdid cuts to Harvard and some other institutions. But these rankings have nothing to do with that. The data predates Trump's second term.

You go back to the early 2000's and top ten rankings based on scientific output included seven American universities.

[CPT Savajo]

Hey Tiny, I hear 70% of young people in China are going to Universities, how times have changed since the early 2000's.

[Tiny]

Hey Captain, I didn't see your post as I didn't know the thread had been relegated to the sandbox.

There was a good article in the Financial Times this weekend, about China's educational system. It was written by a Chinese university graduate who was in the "genius system." Every year about 100,000 talented Chinese students are chosen to take "competition" classes. They automatically are granted entrance to the best universities, and don't have to take the intensely competitive gaokao college admissions exams during their final year of high school.

These geniuses kick ass in science and math Olympiads, which formerly were dominated by U.S. and Russian students. Chinese students won 22 of 23 gold medals in the last competition.

More importantly, they're founding and working for very successful companies. They're China's ace in the hole in the race for AI domination.

The article says China now graduates 10 people in science, engineering and math, for very graduate in the USA.

Here's a link,

https://www.ft.com/content/68f60392-...7-c3d580ec9d97

I believe you get 3 or 4 free articles in the FT every month before you hit the firewall. But if that's not the case and anyone's interested enough to read this please let me know and I'll send you a gift link.

The USA is foolish IMO cutting back on Chinese university students, or at least the really bright ones. We're going to need all the help we can get. A lot of the genius students used to go to U.S. universities. I'm not sure that's still the case.

[rooster]

I work in Engineering for one of the largest companies in the world. We have engineering, design, and manufacturing facilities in both the US and China.

The change in the past 20 years is incredible. 20 years ago, our Chinese people were inexperienced and uncertain, with poor English skills. Now? They are highly competent, creative as fuck, and almost all speak English with a high degree of fluency.

They are young and aggressive.

They fucking GET it.

And we are fucking LOSING it.

(the CEO of Ford drove a BYD EV recently...and fucking loved it)

.

[CPT Savajo]

Originally Posted by rooster

I work in Engineering for one of the largest companies in the world. We have engineering, design, and manufacturing facilities in both the US and China.

The change in the past 20 years is incredible. 20 years ago, our Chinese people were inexperienced and uncertain, with poor English skills. Now? They are highly competent, creative as fuck, and almost all speak English with a high degree of fluency.

They are young and aggressive.

They fucking GET it.

And we are fucking LOSING it.

(the CEO of Ford drove a BYD EV recently...and fucking loved it)

.

Unfortunately rooster that's what happens when government and Democrats gets into education. Look at these Democrat run cities and states propagandizing young minds with DEI/racist/LGBTQ propaganda. America isn't going to beat China at engineering by pushing Transgener Studies as a college degree and promoting DEI/racist/LGBTQ ideology in K-12th grade. Democrats are the problem in education.

[CPT Savajo]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Hey Captain, I didn't see your post as I didn't know the thread had been relegated to the sandbox.

There was a good article in the Financial Times this weekend, about China's educational system. It was written by a Chinese university graduate who was in the "genius system." Every year about 100,000 talented Chinese students are chosen to take "competition" classes. They automatically are granted entrance to the best universities, and don't have to take the intensely competitive gaokao college admissions exams during their final year of high school.

These geniuses kick ass in science and math Olympiads, which formerly were dominated by U.S. and Russian students. Chinese students won 22 of 23 gold medals in the last competition.

More importantly, they're founding and working for very successful companies. They're China's ace in the hole in the race for AI domination.

The article says China now graduates 10 people in science, engineering and math, for very graduate in the USA.

Here's a link,

https://www.ft.com/content/68f60392-...7-c3d580ec9d97

I believe you get 3 or 4 free articles in the FT every month before you hit the firewall. But if that's not the case and anyone's interested enough to read this please let me know and I'll send you a gift link.

The USA is foolish IMO cutting back on Chinese university students, or at least the really bright ones. We're going to need all the help we can get. A lot of the genius students used to go to U.S. universities. I'm not sure that's still the case.

Tiny America is failing at education on a global scale because everything has become political. These Democrats in the education system have to stop brainwashing these kids in America teaching them about dividing a populace with racist DEI/LGBTQ ideology as if it's some type of education. It's not education, it's propaganda. The Chinese have their shit together while many American schools have turned into indoctrination centers for the Democrat Party for students. It's sad. Colleges in America today are a joke and too expensive, especially the bigger Universities. These colleges and universities should be teaching the students about the danger of what propaganda can do to the brain.

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by CPT Savajo

Hey Tiny, I hear 70% of young people in China are going to Universities, how times have changed since the early 2000's.

Close...In 2024, the university enrollment rate in the People's Republic of China was 60.8% according to country's Ministry of Education,

[CPT Savajo]

It's 2026 not 2024. It's more than likely closer to 70%.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by CPT Savajo

Hey Tiny, I hear 70% of young people in China are going to Universities, how times have changed since the early 2000's.

Originally Posted by RX792P

Close...In 2024, the university enrollment rate in the People's Republic of China was 60.8% according to country's Ministry of Education,

Wow! That's as high as the USA, maybe a little higher. It's amazing how far China has come in such a short time.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by rooster

I work in Engineering for one of the largest companies in the world. We have engineering, design, and manufacturing facilities in both the US and China.

The change in the past 20 years is incredible. 20 years ago, our Chinese people were inexperienced and uncertain, with poor English skills. Now? They are highly competent, creative as fuck, and almost all speak English with a high degree of fluency.

They are young and aggressive.

They fucking GET it.

And we are fucking LOSING it.

(the CEO of Ford drove a BYD EV recently...and fucking loved it)

.

Interesting Rooster, thanks. The FT article says that taking and presumably passing an English test, which is preceded by three years of intense study, is mandatory for college bound students.

I've ridden in several upper-end Chinese made vehicles. They're nice, and in the country where I was a lot cheaper than the competition. USA/Mexico/Canada theoretically should be able to compete. But the agenda of Trump and certain Democrats have made it where they can't, IMO, unless they hide behind tariff barriers. A topic for another thread I guess.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by CPT Savajo

Tiny America is failing at education on a global scale because everything has become political. These Democrats in the education system have to stop brainwashing these kids in America teaching them about dividing a populace with racist DEI/LGBTQ ideology as if it's some type of education. It's not education, it's propaganda. The Chinese have their shit together while many American schools have turned into indoctrination centers for the Democrat Party for students. It's sad. Colleges in America today are a joke and too expensive, especially the bigger Universities. These colleges and universities should be teaching the students about the danger of what propaganda can do to the brain.

Hi Captain, The bigger issue is that American parents, teachers and school boards don't push the students hard enough. In my rural high school, football and other sports were #1 and academics were number 2.

As to universities I largely agree. Yesterday I would have said that liberal arts curricula push political ideology and replace courses that help people do well in the real world. I figured I better have a little back up as RX792P or Rooster might call me out on that. ChatGPT says social sciences and history now account for only about 7.2% of bachelor's degrees, down from 15.8% in 2013. So scratch that theory. More students are studying business, engineering and medical-related fields, and that's a good thing.