Congress Needs To Pass a Law Barring Trump from Attacking Greenland etc. Without an Act of Congress, Anything Is Possible..

[pxmcc]

like for real, this guy is crazy enough to take Greenland by force. as the Danish Prime Minister said, that would be the end of NATO. Russia and China would celebrate for sure.

taking out Maduro is problematic but not outrageous. getting involved in Iran would be a serious mistake. but attacking or removing the leader of Greenland, Mexico, Colombia, or Canada would be absolutely catastrophic. this situation requires an immediate Act of Congress before he does anything nuts that will literally wreck the world.

Trump is the closest thing to a madman we've ever had occupying the White House, imo.

thoughts?

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by pxmcc

Trump is the closest thing to a madman we've ever had occupying the White House, imo.

thoughts?

No

[pxmcc]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

No

you're ok with him invading Greenland?

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by pxmcc

you're ok with him invading Greenland?

we already invaded Greenland. decades ago. it's up to them to do something about it


Pituffik Space Base

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pituffik_Space_Base


Thule Air Base

Major air and space units assigned

Sources for major commands and major units assigned:[27][28][29][30][31]

• 662nd Air Base Squadron, 20 July 1951 Redesignated: 6612th Air Base Group, 1 January 1952Redesignated: 6607th Air Base Wing, 1 June 1954 – 1 April 1957
• 318th Fighter Interceptor Squadron, 1 July 1953 – 5 August 1954
• 74th Fighter-Interceptor Squadron, 20 August 1954 – 25 June 1958
• 320th Air Refueling Squadron, 4 May 1955 – 10 June 1957 Detached from 320th Bombardment Wing, March AFB, California
• 509th Air Refueling Squadron, c. 17 June 1955 – c. 3 August 1955 Detached from 509th Bombardment Wing, Walker AFB, New Mexico
• 96th Air Refueling Squadron, 13 July 1955 – 14 September 1955 Detached from 96th Bombardment Wing, Altus AFB, Oklahoma
• 26th Air Refueling Squadron, 9 September 1955 – 2 November 1955; 5 September 1956 – 15 December 1956 Detached from 380th Bombardment Wing, Plattsburgh AFB, New York
• 42d Air Refueling Squadron, 2 November 1955 – 28 December 1955; 1 January 1957 – 7 March 1957 Detached from 42d Bombardment Wing, Loring AFB, Maine
• 71st Air Refueling Squadron, 29 December 1955 – 27 March 1956 Detached from 2d Bombardment Wing, Barksdale AFB, Louisiana
• 341st Air Refueling Squadron, 27 March 1956 – 26 June 1956 Detached from 341st Bombardment Wing, Dyess AFB, Texas
• 40th Air Refueling Squadron, 27 June 1956 – 4 September 1956; c. 1 October 1958 – January, 9 1959 Detached from 40th Bombardment Wing, Smoky Hill AFB, Kansas

• 340th Air Refueling Squadron, 29 October 1956 – 30 December 1956 Detached from 340th Bombardment Wing, Whiteman AFB, Missouri
• 100th Air Refueling Squadron c. 2 Jan 1958 – 2 Apr 1958, Detached from 100th Bomb Wing Pease AFB New Hampshire
• 509th Air Refueling Squadron c. 3 Apr 1958 – 4 Jul 1959, Detached from 509th Bomb Wing Pease AFB New Hampshire
• 4083d Strategic Wing, 1 April 1957 – 1 July 1959
• 4083d Air Base Group, 1 April 1957 Redesignated: 4083d Air Base Wing, 1 July 1960Redesignated: 4083d Air Base Group, 1 October 1960Redesignated: 4683d Combat Support Group, 1 July 1965Redesignated: 4683d Air Base Group, 1 July 1970 – 1 October 1977
• 4683d Air Defense Wing, 1 July 1960 – 1 July 1965
• 327th Fighter-Interceptor Squadron, 3 July 1958 – 25 March 1960
• 332d Fighter-Interceptor Squadron, 1 September 1960 – 1 July 1965
• OL-5, 6594th Test Wing (Satellite), Air Force Systems Command, 15 October 1961 Redesignated: 22nd Space Operations Squadron, 1 June 1997Redesignated: Det 3, 22d Space Operations Squadron, 1 May 2004Redesignated: Det 1, 23d Space Operations Squadron, 1 October 2010 – present
• 12th Missile Warning Group, 31 March 1977 Redesignated: 12th Missile Warning Squadron, 15 June 1983Redesignated: 12th Missile Warning Group, 1 October 1989Redesignated: 12th Space Warning Squadron, 15 May 1992 – present
• 4711th Air Base Squadron, 31 March 1977 Redesignated: 4685th Air Base Squadron, 1 October 1980 – 31 March 1981
• 821st Air Base Group, 1 June 2002 – present Redesignated: 821st Space Base Group, 6 April 2023

Major Army units assigned

• 4th Battalion, 55th Artillery, 1 Sep 1958 – 20 Dec 1965. (Nike)[32]
• 7th Anti-Aircraft Artillery Group, 1 July 1955 – 20 December 1965 (Redesignated 7th Artillery Group 20 March 1958) [A, B, C, and D Batteries 90mm AAA cannon; 549th 75mm AAA BN (Sky Sweeper); 51st Ordnance Company][32]

Remote tracking station


Thule Tracking Station (TTS) is operated by Pituffik Space Base, using the callsign POGO. The station 76°30′57″N 68°36′0″W) is a US Space Force installation in Greenland, near the base, and has a Remote Tracking Station (callsign: Polar Orbiting Geophysical Observatory (POGO)) of the Satellite Control Network.[33]
It was originally the classified 6594th Test Wing's Operating Location 5 designated by Air Force Systems Command on 15 October 1961: the station was operational on 30 March 1962, with "transportable antenna vans parked in an old Strategic Air Command bomb assembly building."[33] The permanent RTS equipment was emplaced in 1964,[33] and a communications terminal was emplaced on Pingarssuit Mountain—Thule Site N-32[34] (moved to Thule Site J in 1983.[33]
Based units


Notable units based at Pituffik Space Base:[35]
United States Space Force


Space Operations Command

• Space Base Delta 1
  • 821st Space Base Group
    • 821st Support Squadron
    • 821st Security Forces Squadron
• Space Delta 4
  • 12th Space Warning Squadron
• Space Delta 6
  • 23rd Space Operations Squadron
    • Detachment 1

USAF tugboat


To assist with port operations, Pituffik is home to the only tugboat in the Department of the Air Force, the 71-foot Rising Star (USAF TG-71-9001).[36] In the summertime, the Rising Star escorts fuel tankers and cargo ships, aligns them with the pier, and moves icebergs out of the way as vessels enter North Star Bay. It is also used for sightseeing tours of the surrounding bays and fjords during the summer. In the winter, it is hauled onto shore. In 2020, the tugboat was used to save a sinking ship and its crew of six 50 kilometers (31 mi) south of base, towing the distressed ship back to the port at Pituffik.[37]





we already own Greenland because we defend it. can Denmark defend it? Nope!


we own it. let Denmark try to stop that. with their vast Military might against the US.



BAHHAHAAAAAA


we've been protecting Greenland since WWII and those dutch pussies know it.

[pxmcc]

^^which is why the status quo is just dandy..

if Trump wants to add to our hardware there-which i think is wise btw-there's a way to do it: in back channels, consulting with Greenland and Denmark. invest in Greenland, help their economy, help them out of poverty, help their people, improve their infrastructure, help them deal with climate change and their melting glaciers and melting permafrost. they'll be happy to allow some military upgrades, probably as many as Trump wants, and at the scale he wants. it will bring jobs and raise GDP, and he can sell them on those talking points.

not with threats. Trump is doing it all wrong. his goal is good, but his methods are heinous..

you catch more flies with honey than vinegar..

can Marco Rubio talk some sense into him?

edit: never said walk away from Greenland. i'm all for military upgrades too. we don't need to own Greenland to get what we want. and i never said Denmark can stop Russia. the issue is methods, not goals. i agree 100% with Trump's goals in Greenland as a defensive juggernaut for the U.S. if he wants their minerals too, he needs to invest and collaborate, not threaten. he's going to drive them away from us with his belligerent talk.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by pxmcc

^^which is why the status quo is just dandy..

if Trump wants to add to our hardware there-which i think is wise btw-there's a way to do it: in back channels, consulting with Greenland and Denmark. invest in Greenland, help their economy, help their people, improve their infrastructure, help them deal with climate change and their melting glaciers and melting permafrost.

not with threats. Trump is doing it all wrong. his goal is good, but his methods are heinous..

can Marco Rubio talk some sense into him?

it was at the end of WWII now there is a new world order and Denmark can't stop Russia from invading Greenland. the US can. if we walk away from Greenland want to guess how soon Russia would invade?



let's see the mighty military of Denmark stop that



BAHHAAAAAAA

[69in2it69]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

it was at the end of WWII now there is a new world order and Denmark can't stop Russia from invading Greenland. the US can. if we walk away from Greenland want to guess how soon Russia would invade?



let's see the mighty military of Denmark stop that



BAHHAAAAAAA

And what if Denmark declares an Article 5 if the US invades? Given how unstable Trump/Miller act, who do you think the other members would side with? And I'm sure you think the US could just storm over ALL NATO countries but I don't. Especially when you add in all the non-NATO countries that are ready for Trump to DIE.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

And what if Denmark declares an Article 5 if the US invades? Given how unstable Trump/Miller act, who do you think the other members would side with? And I'm sure you think the US could just storm over ALL NATO countries but I don't. Especially when you add in all the non-NATO countries that are ready for Trump to DIE.

explain how a NATO member can invoke article 5 against another NATO member? show the wording in the NATO charter for that. what we should do is just buy it from Denmark. we protect it now as it is. what does Denmark do to secure their territory? nothing. we've been protecting it from Russia since WWII.



if Denmark won't take our offer, we pull out and let Russia invade then Denmark cries for Article 5 against Russia. how do you think that will work out?

[ICU 812]

Let us drop Greenland for now. We can come back to it.

But the topic posed in the OP is President Trump's state of mind and what can or should be done about it.

Given that insiders have now published books and made public statements that say that former president Biden was not capable of functioning as the nation's chief executive and nothing was done about it, I just don't see what can be done with regard to President Trump.

Though I bought the hype and supported it at the time, Ihave come to see that former president Bush ("W") mismanaged the hunt for bin Laden and the invasion of Iraq. N thing was done about that at the time either.

Former president Obama was pretty much absent from the "Arab Spring", "lying from behind" and through inaction destabilized Lybiaeven though Kadafi had been playing ball on our side for a while . . .then let the Bengazi debical occur. Nothing happened there, with his Secretary of State wining, "What difference t this time does it make?"

President Trump is being proactive rather than being reactive. If Congress doesn't like it they should invoke the r Powers Act. If President Trump is demonstrably not in his right mind, the cabinet should take action by initiating the 25th Amendment process.

Oh Waite . . .Biden . . .remember?

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

explain how a NATO member can invoke article 5 against another NATO member? show the wording in the NATO charter for that. what we should do is just buy it from Denmark. we protect it now as it is. what does Denmark do to secure their territory? nothing. we've been protecting it from Russia since WWII.



if Denmark won't take our offer, we pull out and let Russia invade then Denmark cries for Article 5 against Russia. how do you think that will work out?

'Protecting' is not the same as 'taking possession'.


The actual text of Article 5

Article 5
“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.”

https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/i...-and-article-5

[Unique_Carpenter]

In order to become law, the press would have to sign it, so....

[pxmcc]

^^it's so common-sensical that a veto-proof majority should be attainable. my worry would be Johnson. instead of Speaker of the House, the third most powerful man in America-but really the second cause the VP doesn't have any real power imo-he's more like Trump's water boy..

Massey showed a workaround though to go around the Speaker. so i think it's doable but certainly not easy. definitely worth it though. the stakes are crazy high.

not sure about invoking the 25th. people say Trump just likes to run his mouth, or set things up for negotiations.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by RX792P

'Protecting' is not the same as 'taking possession'.


The actual text of Article 5



https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/i...-and-article-5

so what exactly happens if Poland attacks Germany?



bahhahaaaa

Originally Posted by pxmcc

^^it's so common-sensical that a veto-proof majority should be attainable. my worry would be Johnson. instead of Speaker of the House, the third most powerful man in America-but really the second cause the VP doesn't have any real power imo-he's more like Trump's water boy..

Massey showed a workaround though to go around the Speaker. so i think it's doable but certainly not easy. definitely worth it though. the stakes are crazy high.

not sure about invoking the 25th. people say Trump just likes to run his mouth, or set things up for negotiations.

so he's crazy like a fox yes?

[RX792P]

Truly scary guy White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy and Homeland Security Advisor Stephen Miller quotes

“Well, let me go back a step. The president has been clear for months now – so I know you’re treating this as breaking news – the president has been clear for months now that the United States should be the nation that has Greenland as part of our overall security apparatus.”

“I just wanted to reset Jake by making clear that’s been the formal position of the U.S. government since the beginning of this administration, frankly going back to the previous Trump administration, that Greenland should be part of the United States. The president has been very clear about that. That is the formal position of the U.S. government.”

“Greenland has a population of 30,000 people [sic, 56,000], Jake. The real question is about what right does Denmark assert control over Greenland? What is the basis of their territorial claim? What is their basis of having Greenland as a colony in Denmark? The United States is the power of NATO. For the United States to secure the Arctic region to protect and defend NATO and NATO interests, obviously, Greenland should be part of the United States.”

[pxmcc]

^^scary..

and utterly bonkers too..

if i'm Marco Rubio, i veto the plan successfully, or tender my resignation.

would an order to the military to take Greenland be considered an illegal order? if not, it's damn close.