Another One Bites the Dust

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[Meridien]

How many people will she give up to "Get out of Jail"?

Was she known to record the coming and going of her visitors?

[Scoot642]

[FruitNinja]

Originally Posted by Meridien

How many people will she give up to "Get out of Jail"?

Was she known to record the coming and going of her visitors?

Just because you went there doesn't necessarily mean you committed a crime. They would have a hard time proving that. I had a friend get caught up in a raid back home. The judge threw it out.

[goingfishing]

Fruit, absolutely right! I go to all sorts of different places for all sorts of different massages- never to a guy- I don't want a guy touching me. That doesn't mean there's ANYTHING that happening between me and the masseuse. Likewise, if something happened between a masseuse that I've received a massage from in the past and another customer, that certainly doesn't mean anything happened in my session with her!

[Southgate18]

First, note that they charged her with massage without a license in addition to sex for money. The massage without a license is far easier to prove and In New York, practicing massage therapy without a license is a felony offense, and penalties can be severe.

Second, always remember this - it is not a crime to have sex with a massage therapist - it is only a crime to explicitly pay for it. I never under any circumstances discuss or negotiate money at one of these places. I always hand them the tip with the house money up front with no discussion.

Proving that you paid for sex requires you to actually pay a cop or be recorded paying the girl for an agreed upon sex act.

They are not going after guys who visited the place.

[Tomb8871]

Originally Posted by goingfishing

Fruit, absolutely right! I go to all sorts of different places for all sorts of different massages- never to a guy- I don't want a guy touching me. That doesn't mean there's ANYTHING that happening between me and the masseuse. Likewise, if something happened between a masseuse that I've received a massage from in the past and another customer, that certainly doesn't mean anything happened in my session with her!

What need to consider her imo is not your legal liability. Even if she did affadavot implicating you, a modest fine and/or taking a class won't break anyone. The risk here is on ruining your life. Getting listed in newspaper and SO, employer, friends, kids, etc see it is what I assume almost all of us have at risk

[HudsonRiver]

A vacation in an American prison is still better than 16 hours a day making iPhone. Jail time doesn't even faze them

[Southgate18]

Tomb - they are not going to go after customers who she claims saw her.

First, how the fuck is she going to know you and find you?

Second, why are they going to plead her out in order to potentially embarrass a few guys. I doubt they even care about the prostitution - they just don't want a bunch of complaints from families and local businesses.

They just want to shut these places down - especially the ones in higher traffic areas in nice neighborhoods.

These places are hard to shut down because unless they get her offering sex to a cop the prostituition charge is VERY hard to make stick. That is why the massage without a license thing is often the charge they lead with.

But as Hudson says - there is way too much money and way too little real consequences to shut them down.

[Tomb8871]

South-What I have seen in other places...They set up outside, then after you get in the car they stop you for any pretext (make sure to signal coming out of the parking lot lol). Or they stop you in parking lot. They then tell one of the most vulnerable ladies inside that they need to give you up or else get arrested themselves. Or the reverse-they try to intimidate you into making statement on the girls in exchange for not arresting you or just giving you a ticket and letting you go. All depends on the situation and their intent. This isn't Law n Order with hearings before a judge on the legal niceties of evidence and arrest procedures, and can't anticipate actions or motives of LE or providers here

[Slickballz]

I’m afraid to review any AMP now or even visit one

[FruitNinja]

Originally Posted by Tomb8871

What need to consider her imo is not your legal liability. Even if she did affadavot implicating you, a modest fine and/or taking a class won't break anyone. The risk here is on ruining your life. Getting listed in newspaper and SO, employer, friends, kids, etc see it is what I assume almost all of us have at risk

Listed in the paper for what exactly? Getting a massage? Very doubtful. Even if you are arrested (very doubtful) does NYS publish names? My understanding is there are certain states where they do but is NY one of them? DENY, DENY, DENY. "I was here for a massage." Nothing else should be said.

[FruitNinja]

Originally Posted by Tomb8871

South-What I have seen in other places...They set up outside, then after you get in the car they stop you for any pretext (make sure to signal coming out of the parking lot lol). Or they stop you in parking lot. They then tell one of the most vulnerable ladies inside that they need to give you up or else get arrested themselves. Or the reverse-they try to intimidate you into making statement on the girls in exchange for not arresting you or just giving you a ticket and letting you go. All depends on the situation and their intent. This isn't Law n Order with hearings before a judge on the legal niceties of evidence and arrest procedures, and can't anticipate actions or motives of LE or providers here

I don't see any evidence that any place in NYS publishes records of johns. If I were married I would just say "I had no idea that was a prostitution place. I wanted a massage" And if you are a married guy using these places I would make it a habit of "getting massages."


And a woman telling the cop you had sex with her will not hold up in court. It's your word against hers. "All I got was a massage. Maybe shes thinking of the guy before me."

[Tomb8871]

You get arrested, your name gets listed in the papers. Added bonus, if big provider busy where they take you also for whatever reason (imagine more likely with walkers) you get the added bonus of your picture also. Plus even if doesn't make traditional media, makes daily police blotter and other places like local patch site. Of course you can deny, even better say nothing. Stops you from shooting yourself in foot, but LE has pretty broad latitude and then can lower or drop charges later, but damage already done

[Slickballz]

This is true. Your name and photo are published in NY. Damage is already done even if they drop charges