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Old 04-10-2017, 03:05 AM   #1
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Default the Masters golf used to be better

It is still a great tournament for the fans and the golfers.
But it was better in the past.

Now all the players can hit their drives 300 yards. The only defense for
a golf course is to make treacherous greens. The result you get is that no
one makes putts, and there is not much action on Sunday. If you are 4 or
5 strokes back starting Sunday, little chance for you unless the leaders fall apart.

They go into the par 5s on the back nine with 7 or 8 irons - on their 2nd shot !
The par 5s were way better when you had to choose to go over water with a 3 wood on your 2nd shot, or lay up.

Number 11 and 12 are still great holes.

I long for the day when, if players hit a good drive, they would have a 5 iron for
the approach, into a fair green, where they could make putts.

Technology advances in balls and clubs have not been good for golf.
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Old 04-10-2017, 07:48 AM   #2
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They should change the balls to cube shaped.


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ARDMORE, Pa. (AP) — On a quiet day and on a relatively empty course for practice rounds, just about every player at Merion stops at the plaque in the 18th fairway that commemorates Ben Hogan hitting 1-iron into the 18th green in the 1950 U.S. Open.

To see such a landmark in golf history, players are inspired to try to duplicate the shot.

But this is no longer an option.

Good luck finding a player who even carries a 1-iron. And the shot Hogan hit, which the USGA estimates to be 213 yards, is no longer a 1-iron. Graeme McDowell hit a 3-hybrid, conceding that Hogan would probably roll in his grave.

There was a time when several players carried the club known as the "butter knife." Finding memorable shots in the U.S. Open is not that easy.

Here are five shots with the 1-iron that stand out:

5. JOHN DALY REACHES THE UNREACHABLE PAR 5

The legend of the 17th hole at Baltusrol was that no one could reach the 630-yard hole in two shots. Baltusrol had not seen the likes of John Daly in the 1993 U.S. Open.

Fans and volunteers kept telling Daly they wanted to see him reach the green in two, though that could only happen if Daly hit his tee shot in the fairway. He finally managed in the second round on Friday.

Daly blasted his tee shot, leaving him about 287 yards up the hill. He smashed his 1-iron — Daly didn't carry a 3-wood back then — and the ball landed in the thick rough between a pair of bunkers, bounced a couple of times and rolled across the green.

"I swung as hard as I could," Daly said.

He shot 68 that day, though he would not be a factor the rest of the week. No matter. Daly desperately wanted to prove he could reach the 17th in two, and he said he told his caddie, "We may not play good, but at least we'll make history."

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4. JACK NICKLAUS AT BALTUSROL

Jack Nicklaus was leading Arnold Palmer going to the par-5 18th at Baltusrol in the 1967 U.S. Open, but more was at stake than beating Palmer again in the U.S. Open. Nicklaus needed a birdie on the last hole to break Ben Hogan's U.S. Open scoring record of 276 in 1948.

It didn't start out very well.

Nicklaus pulled his tee shot into thick rough and had to pitch back out to the fairway. That left him 238 yards away from a thin lie in the fairway, up the hill to the green. He chose a 1-iron, and the shot was so true that Nicklaus took a couple of steps toward the hole when he hit it.

The crowd told him the rest. The ball settled just over 20 feet from the hole, and Nicklaus made the putt for a closing 65 and a four-shot win over Palmer.

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3. JACK NICKLAUS AT PEBBLE BEACH

If not for the famous photo of Ben Hogan at Merion, what Jack Nicklaus did in 1972 at Pebble Beach might be the most memorable 1-iron struck in U.S. Open history.

Because it struck the flag.

Nicklaus was never out of the lead after every round that week at Pebble, and in the tough wind off the Monterey Peninsula, his 72 in the third round gave him the outright lead. He was comfortably ahead going to the par-3 17th, though it was no picnic. The wind was ripping hard into his face. Nicklaus pulled out his 1-iron and would have been content to be in the front bunker.

Here's where the shot is even more amazing — Nicklaus had to make an adjustment in the middle of his swing because he felt the club slight off line.

It struck the flag, and Nicklaus went on to a 74 for a three-shot win and his third U.S. Open title.

"The shot I performed, I don't think I could ever do again," he said later.

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2. BEN HOGAN AT MERION

Sixteen months after the car accident that nearly killed him, Ben Hogan was on the cusp of an amazing comeback. He was in control of the final round in the 1950 U.S. Open at Merion. He was two shots ahead when he three-putted the 15th for a bogey, and then found a bunker off the tee on the par-3 17th and failed to save par.

Suddenly, he was tied for the lead with Lloyd Mangrum and George Fazio, who already had finished the final round. He would need a par on the tough 18th just to join them. The final day was 36 holes, and Hogan hit such a good drive in the morning third round that he needed only a 6-iron. But with his legs battered and swollen on his 36th hole of the day, his tee shot couldn't catch the slope of the hill, leaving him about 213 yards.

He was between a 4-wood and a 1-iron, and he went with the 1-iron.

Hogan reached the green, about 40 feet away, and two-putted for par to get into the playoff. He won the next day.

What makes the shot so famous was Hy Peskin, a photographer for Life magazine, who positioned himself behind Hogan and captured the iconic pose.

"I knew as I shot it, I had something really terrific," Peskin later told Golf Digest.

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1. IRON BYRON WINS HIS ONLY U.S. OPEN

The record shows Byron Nelson winning his only U.S. Open in 1939 at Philadelphia Country Club after two 18-hole playoffs. Denny Shute was eliminated after the first 18, and Nelson shot 70 in the second playoff to beat Craig Wood by three shots.

There are no photos of the most significant shot. The occasion wasn't as heroic as when Hogan won across town at Merion 11 years later.

But there is no denying the quality of Lord Byron's shot.

He took the lead in the second playoff with a birdie on the third hole. On the par-4 fourth, Nelson had 215 yards and hit a 1-iron that went into the cup for an eagle. Just like that, he had a big lead and was on his way to victory.
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I thought it was one of the better tournaments in recent past.

Garcia did a good job of holding it together and exorcising his demons. Not his typical fade and fold. I think him not choking on that eagle putt on 15 was a turning point.

Did not like seeing the Texan have a hard time and fading.


Matt Kuchar had one of the classiest moves of all time. Giving his hole in one ball to a young fan in the gallery.



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Matt Kuchar had one of the classiest moves of all time. Giving his hole in one ball to a young fan in the gallery.
^^^^^ This


(and i think he signed it)
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There is no way that today's golfers are in much better shape than their counterparts of 50 years ago.
Ya think the fairways are mowed a lot tighter now than 50 years ago so the ball rolls further.
Sure there have been advances in equipment and balls but does that mean we should go back to the feathery or gutta-percha, the mashie and the niblik in order to make golf interesting again?

Should a good golf tournament require a very difficult and unreasonable set-up to make it as difficult as possible so that possibly the luckiest and not the best golfer wins.

I thought that this edition of the Masters was a fun and exciting event to watch.. I am personally glad that Sergio won in the playoff but I doubt I could ever see such a great exhibition of sportsmanship between the two friends in such a high stakes match. I am sure that Rose will eventually wear the green jacket as he is a great player in his on right. At the very least, maybe this will shut the announcers up about Sergio not winning a major.

As a side note, I told Sergio, through the TV, that the putt on 18 was going to stay to the right. It was inside the cup left half. I could see that and I have vision issues. Give me fast slick greens any day compared to slow greens. Yeah they are more difficult but they will make you a much better p;utter.
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Golf exciting to watch?
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For the old white man, this is their time. The Masters and the Kentucky Derby within a month of each other...they get to fall asleep on their couches during the golf, and last for two minutes in the race...heaven for them...
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I am so thankful that I am not you.
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Let me know when golf becomes something more than an activity.
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Golf was invented as an activity. Sheep herders got bored, and invented hitting
a ball around while tending their flock.

Now we are at the modern age. Tournament golf is exciting. Everyday golf in a
golf cart drinking beer is an activity.
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Vita gets his thread subjects and answers from wikipedia.
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Been to the tourney three times and it is better now in most respects. I am however in favor of rolling back golf ball technology - 10 yrs ago 6500 yards was long for me, now I can comfortably play 7000 yards with no measurabl increase in clubhead speed. For a pro golfer, the effect is even more profound.
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It's sad in a way.

Then there is the NBA. It's too easy for the big tall players of today. How about raising the hoop ?
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Old 04-11-2017, 05:45 PM   #14
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Let me know when golf becomes something more than an activity.
With 39,481 posts, I guess you have found your activity. A rough estimate is 15
posts per day for 7 years.

Today we have video games and sites like this to keep us from getting bored. Back
when golf was invented, they didn't.
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So to the point. One of the best masters till the last minute. I am so happy Sergio won. He deserved it after so many heart breaking moments. Patience and having a goal pays. Loved it.

To answer your question sir I am not sure you play golf, if you do you will definitely appreciate the championship quality. Played at the pebble beach once and it gave me fits to control the shots to avoid water.

It depends on how you look at it but by Far the quality of the players helped by technology gets better and better. Love the game of golf. A great round gives me boost to do better.

All majors are still a quality. You probably saw the puts at Augusta just difficult. Perhaps some day I get to play there...a goal.
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