Have we decided to forgo the rules in favor of hostility?

[Fancyinheels]

Originally Posted by WTF

Are you here to make money or praise eccie? We all think if certain folks would leave or certain behavior would change, the board would be a better place. I find it ironic the thread starter seems to be cyber stalking and in the past has cried about being stalked. Thus all this whining seems to be done with a selfish intent. So take it with a big grain of salt. Some seem to forget this is a whore board. A whore board where some folks are offended to hear the word whore used.

You misunderstand. Yes, I am here to make money, but think about it; a board that is highly regarded and keeps attracting respectable providers and well-heeled gentlemen will give me a larger range of clientele from which I CAN make money.

I have heard so much about how ECCIE is "spiraling downward" that it concerns me. It's all about PR, and people who come here for entertainment through drama (or entertainment by STARTING drama) are not paying my bills.

By the way, "whore" is not very descriptive of what some of us do. The word doesn't denote college educations, highly developed business and communication skills, familiarity with human psychology, the ability to become a "chameleon" for periods of time and blend into different situations. Sexual services are only part of the whole pie for some ladies. If I advertised myself as a "whore," I would be starving. By being more than that, marketing myself as a "companion" with a diverse menu (those Fancy Field Trips I offer do VERY well during the Renaissance Festival, and my "Chick & a Flick" dates must be a good idea as some providers are advertising the same and copying my ad nearly word for word ), I am successful. Packaging is important, and the same applies to ECCIE. Better packaging, with less "rips," might boost the board's esteem in the Hobby community. As Ms. Howard said to a gent, "...this is you(r) hobby not your livelihood. I'd like to see if you feel the same way if someone went to your place of work and trash talked you, bullied you, goaded you and went out of their way to affect your income." The trashy, disrespectful sniping back-and-forth effects the image that ECCIE projects, and the livelihoods of all providers.

Other than that, I don't care, nor is it my business, to get into a fuss with anyone about anything.

[chicagoboy]

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

At least a dozen of my clients have told me RECENTLY that after perusing ECCIE, they wouldn't even consider joining due to the turmoil and outright disrespect ...

Not exactly my kind of pillow talk, but whatever works for you.

[Fancyinheels]

Originally Posted by chicagoboy

Not exactly my kind of pillow talk, but whatever works for you.

Who said that we were in the BEDROOM? No, the communication in there is more along the lines of moaning, panting, gasping, praying (Oh GOD!), and begging for more.

[Wakeup]

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

It's all about PR, and people who come here for entertainment through drama (or entertainment by STARTING drama) are not paying my bills.

Why does one correlate to the other? People who watch Jerry Springer still buy trailer homes...why shouldn't people who get entertained by drama here, still want to pay to fuck you?

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

By the way, "whore" is not very descriptive of what some of us do. The word doesn't denote college educations, highly developed business and communication skills, familiarity with human psychology, the ability to become a "chameleon" for periods of time and blend into different situations.

Correct.

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

marketing myself as a "companion"...and my "Chick & a Flick" dates...

How do either of those denote your level of education, business skills, communications skills, human psychology experience or skin color changing abilities either? A whore is what you are...the fact that you get paid for not having sex doesn't make you any less of a whore...

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

The trashy, disrespectful sniping back-and-forth effects the image that ECCIE projects, and the livelihoods of all providers.

You sure about that?

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

At least a dozen of my clients have told me RECENTLY that after perusing ECCIE, they wouldn't even consider joining due to the turmoil and outright disrespect...

Yet...for all their hatred for what this board has become...they're still paying your bills...

Doesn't exactly support your argument that the board mentality is affecting your business when you turn around and say you have a dozen clients who are not members here, and who would never join here, but are still paying to fuck you...

Just sayin'...

P.S.-For future reference for the rest of you whores...you can't have it both ways. You can't say that the haters don't affect your business, and then turn around months later and say that the drama is affecting your ability to make a living...you look idiotic...so stop doing it...

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

You misunderstand.


Packaging is important, and the same applies to ECCIE. Better packaging, with less "rips," might boost the board's esteem in the Hobby community. As Ms. Howard said to a gent, "...this is you(r) hobby not your livelihood. I'd like to see if you feel the same way if someone went to your place of work and trash talked you, bullied you, goaded you and went out of their way to affect your income." The trashy, disrespectful sniping back-and-forth effects the image that ECCIE projects, and the livelihoods of all providers.

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I do not think I misunderstood.

I think you and Olivia have eccie confused with your place of work. It is not. Period. It is the owners place of work. Possible the Mods if what they get paid can be considered work. LOL

But this is not you or any other providers place of work. It is where you choose to advertise. It is nothing more than a business choice....if the money/time spent on eccie is not worth the revenue/personal satisfaction generated from logging on then you will move on.

Let me be clear about one more thing, this is a whore board. You can call it wtf ever you want. You can call yourself whatever you want but this first and foremost is an escort and review site.

Lastly....an ex provider starting a thread basically trying to trash another provider in the name of civility while flouting the same rules she is trying to beat the other lady over the head with is not the best thread to promote your cause of civility. IMHO of course.

[Guest051115]

Originally Posted by WTF

Her talking about cyber bullying is like Lizzy Bordon telling us how well one should treat their parents.

OH has a vendetta against LD. She cries about men trying to hurt girls business and then turns around and does the exact same thing. Cyber bullying is like calling one a terrorist or a freedom fighter....sometimes it is all about perspective.

I can understand your point but I just see it as a cat fight between women. For me personally while I may have a few disagreements I don't really argue with women in the RW and that typically carries over for me here. I never stay mad at them for too long it's just not my style or personality.** I like to let the women folk do their thing. Some guys though like to put on a cat suit and scratch it out with the girls.


** Potential notable exception is politics

[Guest051115]

Originally Posted by WTF

I do not think I misunderstood.

Possible the Mods if what they get paid can be considered work. LOL

Mods aren't getting paid but they're in it for another reason anyway

[Eva Damita]

Originally Posted by Zanzibar789

Mods aren't getting paid but they're in it for another reason anyway

Gasp!

Oh no she didn't...

[Guest051115]

Originally Posted by Wakeup

P.S.-For future reference for the rest of you whores...you can't have it both ways. You can't say that the haters don't affect your business, and then turn around months later and say that the drama is affecting your ability to make a living...you look idiotic...so stop doing it...

It's all about agendas and degrees. You guys have agendas and some girls will be affected to greater or lesser degrees depending on how much they push back.

BTW - I didn't realize you were a WK for the Valarie girl. I would welcome you to the WK society but since you've been Hobbying far longer than I have I will just have a coke and a smile.

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[Fancyinheels]

Originally Posted by Wakeup

Why does one correlate to the other? People who watch Jerry Springer still buy trailer homes...why shouldn't people who get entertained by drama here, still want to pay to fuck you?



Correct.


How do either of those denote your level of education, business skills, communications skills, human psychology experience or skin color changing abilities either? A whore is what you are...the fact that you get paid for not having sex doesn't make you any less of a whore...



You sure about that?


Yet...for all their hatred for what this board has become...they're still paying your bills...

Doesn't exactly support your argument that the board mentality is affecting your business when you turn around and say you have a dozen clients who are not members here, and who would never join here, but are still paying to fuck you...

Just sayin'...

P.S.-For future reference for the rest of you whores...you can't have it both ways. You can't say that the haters don't affect your business, and then turn around months later and say that the drama is affecting your ability to make a living...you look idiotic...so stop doing it...

Oh, I have more to support my theorem, such as the fact that I REFER most of my clients here from other sources so they can have a better playground to choose from, and it is their decision not to join based on what they see, which means they won't select other ECCIE providers, but will find companionship elsewhere. Lately I have been getting a lot more traffic from alternate ad boards where there isn't any muss and fuss. Some gentlemen from these other sources poke around here and just shake their heads, and others who did join and didn't find the drama here to their liking have either quit or stopped logging on period, some stepping down from paying that VIP fee. This all addresses the bottom $$$ line of ECCIE. I can't be the only one provider here who has had this brought to her attention, but never mind....

However, WU and WTF, make no mistake; ECCIE is our place of work in the sense that providers establish a very real presence here, and that is work.

I never said that this wasn't a whore board for reviews AND ads AND discussion. I don't deny that I am a whore. We all are, to some extent. I think that I made my argument on why "companion" works for me and denotes what I am and my background, which is not something a fellow thinks about when he sees the word, "whore." Again, marketing. You think that I don't know that my age and weight work against me in this biz? I must have some acumen otherwise to make a go of it for 7 years as I am not just selling my body alone, not that there is anything wrong with that at all. (Morality is a construct.) Like I said before, call me whore, goddess, companion, or even bitch, but lay the money on the table, and I'll decide later if I want to see you again. I do not believe that I need to argue semantics with those who will never be my gentlemen visitors to begin with, and that isn't the basis of this thread, anyway.

This is not about one lady's trashing, and why can't I enter a so-called "uncivil" thread" to discuss the image of ECCIE representative of such threads? While I would love to hash this out further, I have an appointment. Carry on.

[Guest051115]

We're all whores. :-)

[WTF]

What Fancyinheels and OliviaHoward seem to be doing is trying to bully the owners into a different direction. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion but for gods sake don't act like you are any better than the so called bullies you are railing aganist. Passive aggressive behavior Y'all are doing the exact same thing you are bitching about. It is just an old fashioned power struggle between warring factions.

What i do not agree with is Olivia bashing and stalking LD in the name of the civility police. Come the fuck on....nobody is buying that bs. Have at trying to change St Chris' s mind....just say that upfront. But don't flaunt a rule to cry about broken rules.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by Luxury Daphne

If thats your premise it's shit because you only saw one of the nine pages of infractions. And I have been banned 6 or 7 damn times. And those times I was breaking the rules, ( like when I asked Edited by Pistolero Comment outside guidelines). Out of line. And those 10 points landed me a well deserved 30 day ban.

Yes, you have been banned, but you bad behavior is still tolerated otherwise after the fifth or so ban, you’d be booted or banned for significant periods of time like Sofia was and RR has been. So perhaps we should broaden the scope and ask is there any reason to keep habitual malcontents around.

Originally Posted by Luxury Daphne

BustedAmy is NOT defenseless, she's talked just as much shit as anyone else here, dare I say wu included. So are you implying that she is a hapless victim, or just too stupid to speak for herself?

Again, this is not about you or Amy. It is about whether we have a site that is governed by guidelines and if so are those guidelines moderated.

Originally Posted by Lexieinhouston

If you were pointed and banned for 30 days for this statement, why on earth would you repost it?

~

Begs the question doesn’t it.

Originally Posted by Wakeup

Question asked, and answered...nothing more to see here...

Oh did you calm down Peachez?

Originally Posted by Luxury Daphne

I did not get banned for that statement. It is merely a summary example of when I did actually break the rules and got pointed for it. And I was only banned because those 10 points put me over the 25 mark. That won't ever be the case again.

Yet it was edited out. What’s wrong with you! Why would you say something like that again if you aren’t trying to drag other women down? It’s not going to make you any better. In fact it only makes you look base.

Originally Posted by WTF

Her talking about cyber bullying is like Lizzy Bordon telling us how well one should treat their parents.

New Business! For those of you that don’t know, I have rules for my Pet so others don’t trip on his leash. Normally I let him go on a bit before I levy the rules, but this is a serious subject and I don’t think people want to listen to him obsess over me with his ridiculous analogies. The Rules are that I ignore him unless he lies, twists my words or comes up with new business. Believe it or not this typically one trick pony does come up with new business. This is one of those times. He’s never said I cyberbully people. So with that….

Pet, who have I bullied. I’m not bulling LD now. I’ve made it clear this is just the first example of blatant guideline rule breaking. Seems I was right to choose this example as a test case. The lady in question has been banned eight times. I would submit that she is the bully. Defend your allegations Pet.

Originally Posted by amishgangster

So to summarize...a whore, Ol Ho, wants to curtail whore drama (which its well known she lives for)

A, no, it’s not drama I’m known for. It’s calling board bullies on their behavior that I’m famous for. You simply interpret it as drama because you see me challenging the status quo. You’re one of those types that gets off calling women whores and watching women tear each other apart so you can still claim to be lord over your tiny little fiefdom.

And B, thread is about the guildelines and the moderation there of.

Originally Posted by amishgangster

So to summarize...a whore, Ol Ho, wants to curtail whore drama (which its well known she lives for) and the first step she decides to take is to start whore drama...in order to put an end to whore drama? And to create a case of whore cyber stalking, she cyber stalks a whore?


Did I miss anything?

You’re trying to pit women against each other and trying to claim crazy making – look it up. That is not at all what I’m doing. We are discussing guidelines and moderation of said guidelines. As I said, I chose a good example well as Daphne is a serial rule breaker as evidenced by her eight bans.

Have I missed anything?

Originally Posted by WTF

That about sums it up.

[SIZE=3]This is not a case of OH trying to improve the civility in the community, this is a case of OH stalking LD's posts.

No, hers is the first I chose. I could have chosen one of yours. I could have chosen one of Peachez. I could have chosen many of the people that post in the Hole.

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

[FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3][COLOR=DarkGreen]You misunderstand. Yes, I am here to make money, but think about it; a board that is highly regarded and keeps attracting respectable providers and well-heeled gentlemen will give me a larger range of clientele from which I CAN make money.

Absolutely! My business was made up of the uninformed - the guys that used Eros, Clients from P411 and lurkers from here. And let me tell you, lurkers are PHENOMENAL clients. Many ladies can't or won't post to attract said lurkers if the guidelines aren’t enforced. This is like ladies night. If the ladies stop coming, the guys and their wallets stop coming.

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

[FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3][COLOR=DarkGreen]By the way, "whore" is not very descriptive of what some of us do.

No but then what? How are men that pay whores that they hate going to justify their behavior? It has to be someone’s fault they lust after us.

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

I'd like to see if you feel the same way if someone went to your place of work and trash talked you, bullied you, goaded you and went out of their way to affect your income

I’ve mentioned this before. It falls on deaf ears. They now what would happen.

Peachez, what can I say? You’re wrong and you’re also the one that’s paying that which you hate. Please continue showing us how logical and disengaged you are. You are clearly wrapped up in this knee deep.

New business:

Originally Posted by WTF

I think you and Olivia have eccie confused with your place of work. It is not. Period. It is the owners place of work. Possible the Mods if what they get paid can be considered work. LOL

Women market, advertise and are reviewed here. They are just independent contractors and not employees. However, if the women go away, so does the site. Just go ask the owners of the former ERAPS and ASPD when Amber’s family ran all the ladies off with the new requirements.

The rest of your diatribe is old business.

[Guest051115]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Because this is you hobby not your livelihood. I'd like to see if you feel the same way if someone went to your place of work and trash talked you, bullied you, goaded you and went out of their way to affect your income.



Oh the hobby lifers around here think I'm the devil incarnate, a harpy and all things wrong in the world. You know, an uppity woman. That's code for a woman that won't take their shit.



Anyone sentient person would



But does the bullying on those other sites affect anyone's income?

As long as safety and security aren't the issues I think your own professionalism and ability to sell yourself BCD "should" ultimately trump any damage people try to inflict because of their hidden agendas. We've all seen it before, a guy posts a NCNS or some other complaint in Coed and the girl responds with an amazing pic of her tits & ass and then all is forgiven in the world.

If you don't have an amazing ass pic to show you still have the ability to market in such a way to lure in repeat and new clientele but what you do BCD will make all the difference in the world. For example I'm an unashamed pussy whipped WK (my own definition) for AXOXO nothing these guys say will make me change that due to her BCD and GFE skills.

[Sonya]

I can only speak for myself. My most loyal clients dont get involved with discussions or write reviews on eccie. They do not enjoy the trolling or fighting. So troll on, they dont read this anyway. I myself get tried of the negativity here. My two cents.