government shuts down

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Herein lies the problem with your thinking. The government, on any level, is not and should not be responsible for providing health insurance to anyone. There is no unalienable right to an HMO.

Once again, STATES can decide to provide care in whatever way they choose for their citizens. So if poor ass Mississippi wants to allow folks without insurance to die or only treat at the ER, that’s a Mississippi choice. I’m ok with it. I wouldn’t live there but that’s my choice. If California decides to provide gold standard insurance and care to its citizens, good for them, that’s a choice for the state legislature.

Regardless, Trump and republicans are lying in this discussion because otherwise they have no argument.

One thing is true - PEOPLE blame the republicans for THIS shut down and no matter how many time Pravda Fox News tries to convince the public otherwise, the majority of PEOPLE will see through the Republican lie and they will eventually cave. I’d prefer they didn’t. Hell I’d respect them if they came out and said that healthcare impedes our tax cuts so we can’t put that money back. The whole - illegals - lie isn’t working and won’t.

[Lantern2814]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

States are sovereign and can choose to spend as much of their own money on illegals getting healthcare as they like. You know, the whole state’s rights thing. Something republicans used to believe in (in actuality they never reallly did).

But they aren't using THEIR money. They're using federal reimbursements to fund goodies for illegals. As in American taxpayer money. And pathetically trying to blame Republicans for the Schumer Shutdown 2.0. Laughable. Even the New York Times has 65% of people asked saying the DEMOCRATS should never have done this. Your side has lost. And just keeps digging in on demands you're NEVER going to get. You want illegals to get health care, YOU fund it. American citizens don't want to.

[Eaton Beaver]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

But they aren't using THEIR money. They're using federal reimbursements to fund goodies for illegals. As in American taxpayer money. And pathetically trying to blame Republicans for the Schumer Shutdown 2.0. Laughable. Even the New York Times has 65% of people asked saying the DEMOCRATS should never have done this. Your side has lost. And just keeps digging in on demands you're NEVER going to get. You want illegals to get health care, YOU fund it. American citizens don't want to.

No side has "lost" yet. There is an impasse.

And it isn't just about the Medicaid cuts. It is just as much about extending the subsidies for the Affordable Care Act marketplaces. You know, those credits that make make health insurance cheaper for millions of Americans? Millions. As in 24 Million. People. Most of them in Red states that voted for Trump.

KFF estimates the average premium will go up 114 percent. Pricing a lot of people out. Doesn't matter who they voted for.

Speaking of percentages, also according to KFF, 78 percent of voters across the political spectrum are in favor of maintaining these subsidies.

Those all expired as of September 30. And the Republican controlled Congress had all fucking year to do something about it. And they didn't. And here we are. And there ain't no way that anyone believes their bullshit about "just pass a clean bill and we will deal with this other stuff later." They didn't deal with it before. Why would anyone believe they will now?

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Once again, STATES can decide to provide care in whatever way they choose for their citizens. So if poor ass Mississippi wants to allow folks without insurance to die or only treat at the ER, that’s a Mississippi choice. I’m ok with it. I wouldn’t live there but that’s my choice. If California decides to provide gold standard insurance and care to its citizens, good for them, that’s a choice for the state legislature.

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

States are sovereign and can choose to spend as much of their own money on illegals getting healthcare as they like. You know, the whole state’s rights thing.

Agreed. Let the states and the local communities decide. Take the federal government out of the equation.

I'm proud of myself right now Blackman. My ceaseless efforts at educating you for a couple of years finally are paying off!

Also, I'd like to meet your dog. You must have one damn smart dog!