I just don't get it, shooting in NYC today.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Devo

Guns don't kill people, you just can't accept that fact.

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

That’s true but guns used properly allow you to kill or wound many people in a more efficient manner than you would normally be able to.

You just love to take my statements way out of context.

You are correct that people kill other people. Guns make people more efficient killers. Take away people’s guns and you limit the effectiveness of killers.

I.E. If gun laws were much more strict and applied equally everywhere then gun deaths would go down like they do in other advanced countries.

That being said it’s not going to happen in the US because of the second amendment. But the idea that having your own gun to counter the threat of the other person having a gun is statistically untrue.

[oldman2525]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

You just love to take my statements way out of context.

You are correct that people kill other people. Guns make people more efficient killers. Take away people’s guns and you limit the effectiveness of killers.

I.E. If gun laws were much more strict and applied equally everywhere then gun deaths would go down like they do in other advanced countries.

That being said it’s not going to happen in the US because of the second amendment. But the idea that having your own gun to counter the threat of the other person having a gun is statistically untrue.

your last sentence........... then why do police carry guns?

i know of three people who had guns and it saved their lifes

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by oldman2525

your last sentence........... then why do police carry guns?

i know of three people who had guns and it saved their lifes

I don’t personally know anyone who has needed a gun to protect themselves from another person with a gun.

[Devo]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

I don’t personally know anyone who has needed a gun to protect themselves from another person with a gun.

You don't always face another gun, that's the point.

I have used my carry weapon three times, a robbery in downtown Pittsburgh, a road rage incident, and stopped two crackheads from stealing a RV trailer.

The robbery, when I brandished a small 22 pistol, stopped the two men who were demanding I give them money, or, they'd take it.

I was poor, it was the only pistol I had at the time.

The road rage, I filmed with a dash cam, but was never charged because the fucked up guy came back in to the cops later and admitted he was the aggressor.

The RV theft, PSP took my pistol when they showed up, and gave it back to me after arrests had been made.

Three uses, three stopped crimes.

Never once did I need to discharge the firearm, which I am grateful for, because it did EXACTLY what it needed to do, which is STOP a CRIME from OCCURRING.

Would a big stick have worked?

Sure, and it also would have insured a physical encounter of a two on one scenario in two of the crimes.

Which is exactly why you don't walk softly and carry a big stick, you walk softly and carry as much fucking firepower as you can afford, and can bring to bear.

You may choose to wander the lands undefended, that is your choice, leave me the fuck alone to make MY choice.

[flows-with-water]

Devo. Very interesting. Good self control in not shooting.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Devo

You may choose to wander the lands undefended, that is your choice, leave me the fuck alone to make MY choice.

I never said that you couldn’t nor that you shouldn’t. The second amendment protects your right to arm yourself responsibly.

I just find the argument that every person needs a gun to stop another person with a gun to be more than a little disingenuous. It’s my opinion that most people don’t need guns to live their everyday lives. And the massive amount of guns in the United States does more harm than good on a societal scale.

I think the gun manufacturers have been allowed to pervert our laws to protect their profits at the expense of our society.

[Devo]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

I never said that you couldn’t nor that you shouldn’t. The second amendment protects your right to arm yourself responsibly.

I just find the argument that every person needs a gun to stop another person with a gun to be more than a little disingenuous. It’s my opinion that most people don’t need guns to live their everyday lives. And the massive amount of guns in the United States does more harm than good on a societal scale.

I think the gun manufacturers have been allowed to pervert our laws to protect their profits at the expense of our society.

The only perversion of the law and Constitution, are the many road blocks to actually even purchasing a firearm.

A 10 percent penalty tax on top of any ammo makers bottom line, all guns and ammo face that tax, so, you are paying 10 percent above cost on every item, do they tax books at an extra 10 percent?

No, so much for your right to carry, if you can afford it.

California forcing people to pay 50 bucks for a background check and transfer on any ammo purchase, yes, because I sold ammo to a guy in Kali, and that's what they charged, 50 dollars for 2 cases, shipped together as one bundle.

NY refusing to update its concealed carry system after the Supremes ruled against it, it will take another SCOTUS decision to make them fix it again.

Some locations blocking your ability to own or carry certain magazines, or guns, based on evil looks alone, like Shitcago?

I ask you to show me ANY civil right that is abused so badly.

And again, I don't know what Nirvana you live in, but two people were shot in downtown Pittsburgh today, a shithole, where if you read, where I first used a firearm to defend myself, and, its not gotten better.

Feel FREE to not carry, feel free to not have the means to protect yourself, It's America, its your right, but if you want to count on the police for protection, good luck.

The mere fact I have drawn a weapon three times, shows that there is a need.

[Devo]

Originally Posted by flows-with-water

Devo. Very interesting. Good self control in not shooting.

I've said this before, I don't hunt anymore, because I don't need to, I don't want to harm a deer, I don't want to harm another human, I don't want to kill shit, except wasps, fuckers sting hurts.

The second to last thing I ever want to happen is shooting someone, the first thing would NOT be shooting someone and they then harmed me, or someone else, because I didn't shoot.