208 Democrats Voted Against The Save Act, Requiring Proof of Citizenship to Vote. Why Do Democrats Want Non-Citizens To Vote?

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by pxmcc

Bahahahahahaha..

who won the popular vote in 8 out of the last 10 presidential elections, and not by a little..

illegals voting is right up there with the tooth fairy being real. where's your evidence, sir?..

... Blimey! ... As the somewhat wise fellow Yssup states:
"Reading is Fundamental"...

... First off - "who won the popular vote..." has NOTHING
to do with the thread topic of The Save Act and Voter ID.

And secondly - I didn't mention "illegals voting" - you did.

I mentioned "illegal voters" - meaning those who vote
illegally... As-in voting for someone else, claiming to be
somebody else, voting in the wrong precinct, turning in
somebody else's ballot, doing illegal voter harvesting...

Should I go on? ... OR do you understand now what I meant??

.. Which is of course the reason Democrats don't want
the Save Act - they NEED illegal voters.

#### Salty

[pxmcc]

^^evidence sir..

i accept your distinction, no matter how lame. so now, produce your evidence..

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Crikey! ... I thought you already were, mate ...

Perhaps you can explain to 'em why showing Voter ID
is a GOOD thing. ... Persuade the Dems to support it.

#### Salty

Well Salty, I stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Senator Sanders in his desire to achieve a peaceful resolution of the wars in Ukraine and Gaza. And in many of his stands on civil liberties. Also I share his obsession with Alexandria Ocasio Cortez. Otherwise I think he sucks. And Elizabeth Warren is good for nothing. I wouldn't even bang her. And my standards are pretty low.

Yeah, I don't really understand Democrats' problem with voter ID, or a lot of what they perceive as "barriers" to voting. Like I said, they're now more motivated to go to the polls, or jump through hoops like providing proof of citizenship, than Republicans. HoHound has a point, although he screwed up when he said, "Why do Democrats think Black and Brown people aren't capable of getting ID's." I don't think it has anything to do with race. Rather Democrats believe other Democrats are lazy. You have some Millenial living in his Mom's basement who's not going to the polls but he will mail in a ballot, IF he has a postage prepaid envelope. Well, a disproportionate number of those Millenials are now Republicans, the men anyway.

You and other likeminded people would have a lot more faith in the integrity of our election system if voter ID, showing the holder is a citizen, were universally required. And that's important. I don't see why Democrats have a problem with that.

Originally Posted by adav8s28

You mean like Republican Sarah "Airhead" Palin?

Actually adav8s28, I was thinking of Alexandria "Milton Keynes" Ocasio Cortez. Well, she may be an Airhead, but she's still my Sweetie! WD and I need to make that trip to D.C. to bang her and Nancy Pelosi pronto. Nancy's getting older, and we don't want to be banging a corpse!

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by pxmcc

^^evidence sir..

i accept your distinction, no matter how lame. so now, produce your evidence..

... Two hundred and eight (208) Democrats voted
AGAINST The Save Act. ... Which would have required
proof of Citizenship to vote.

... That's evidence enough. ...

Crikey! ... Reading really IS fundamental.

#### Salty

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Hee Hee! ... .. Hillary Clinton (remember her?)
was tryin' like Jack-the L--- er... like Jill-the-Shill
to make yer same argument today.

The fact is - Married women DON'T NEED to change their
name on all documents. ... And THAT has little to do
with showing proper ID to vote.

"Are you YOU?" is surely the concept whem it comes
to showing Voter ID... That's the point of The Save Act.

Problem is - the Democrats don't want their voters to
show ANY type of ID... None.

.. Which is WHY they don't support it.
Dems need illegal voters to win elections. And illegal votes.

#### Salty

Seriously folks. Please educate yourselves on this issue and all the details! Literally smh!
Democrats voted against this bill because of the issue of married women's names. It's been covered by all news sources. One way or the other. These dems did not vote no because of what the op alleges!

[txdot-guy]

Adding more barriers to voting is a disincentive to voters. The voter id solution is a solution to a problem that really doesn’t exist in any real form.

If you have ever been poor, or homeless, or a victim of a natural disaster, getting replacement identification can be extremely difficult.

Republicans worry about a few fraudulent ballots while democrats worry about a few disadvantaged voters.

I’m not sure this is an argument either side will win.

The problem as I see it is that we have a party that is convinced that widespread fraud is taking place without any evidence to support that claim. The problem is that even with voter id laws in place republicans are still trying to create more barriers than ever before. At least they are in Texas.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Hee Hee! ... .. Hillary Clinton (remember her?)
was tryin' like Jack-the L--- er... like Jill-the-Shill
to make yer same argument today.

The fact is - Married women DON'T NEED to change their
name on all documents. ... And THAT has little to do
with showing proper ID to vote.

"Are you YOU?" is surely the concept whem it comes
to showing Voter ID... That's the point of The Save Act.

Problem is - the Democrats don't want their voters to
show ANY type of ID... None.

.. Which is WHY they don't support it.
Dems need illegal voters to win elections. And illegal votes.

#### Salty

SNICK

[DEAR_JOHN]

Originally Posted by Tiny

This ain't your grandpappy's Democratic Party. You could make a strong argument that Democrats are now more motivated to jump through hoops to vote than Republicans are. When Trump tried to steal the 2020 election, he pissed off a lot of Democrats. Some might have been to lazy to dig out their birth certificates or passports before, but they're not now.

Yep, Trump pissed off so many people he won the popular vote by over 2 million votes, and did a landslide in the electoral vote and pitched a shutout in the toss up states vote.

Maybe Trump and Vance can piss off democrats in the same way for another 4 years of conservative rule. You democrats can keep your cheap 'hoes crocket and aoc, can you imagine those 2 goof balls running a government? Or that slimy looking and acting newsom? Face it clique, you haven't got much in the pipeline for POTUS 2028. By the way, you may have numbers on a forum dealing with escorts, but that doesn't mean you have numbers that count when and where needed.

[pxmcc]

Salty, Dems voted against it not because they embrace illegal voters but because this Bill presents barriers to voting, which is the whole point.

Poor people don't travel abroad, so forget about passports. I'm highly educated and have traveled all over the world, but if someone asked me to produce my birth certificate, I would literally have no idea where to even start.

now give that same directive to someone who is extremely poor, and right off the bat, you have a barrier to voting. which, for Republicans, is the whole point. that's why I mentioned the poll tax and the minimum SAT scores. they are entirely analogous.

this whole discussion arises due to Trump's knowingly false claim that the 2020 election was stolen by illegal aliens voting. it was a lie then; it's no less a lie today.

this legislation has nothing to do with preventing illegals from voting-which isn't actually a thing-and everything to do with creating barriers and obstacles to suffrage for wholly qualified voters under the Constitution. it's a scam from start to finish, and Dems were 100% correct to oppose it.

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Two hundred and eight (208) Democrats voted
AGAINST The Save Act. ... Which would have required
proof of Citizenship to vote.

... That's evidence enough. ...

Crikey! ... Reading really IS fundamental.

#### Salty

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Don't you really mean Demonicrat women only? Because, real women can actually update their ID if they want to. They've been doing it for several hundred years already.

Originally Posted by winn dixie

Seriously folks. Please educate yourselves on this issue and all the details!...

From the Wikipedia:

The Real ID Act of 2005 (stylized as REAL ID Act of 2005) is an Act of Congress that establishes requirements that driver licenses and identification cards issued by U.S. states and territories must satisfy to be accepted for accessing federal government facilities, nuclear power plants, and for boarding airline flights in the United States. The requirements include verification of the personal information presented when applying for the identification document, security features on the document, and electronic sharing of databases between states. The act also made various modifications to U.S. immigration law regarding asylum, border security, deportation, and specific work visas.

In case reality is still a thing: Required across the board by all 50 States (57 States by OBama count) on May 7, 2025.

So basically; just add the word "voting" to the act and VIOLA!

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

From the Wikipedia:In case reality is still a thing: Required across the board by all 50 States (57 States by OBama count) on May 7, 2025.

So basically; just add the word "voting" to the act and VIOLA!

The Real ID Act of 2005 (stylized as REAL ID Act of 2005) is an Act of Congress that establishes requirements that driver licenses and identification cards issued by U.S. states and territories must satisfy to be accepted for accessing federal government facilities, nuclear power plants, and for boarding airline flights in the United States. The requirements include verification of the personal information presented when applying for the identification document, security features on the document, and electronic sharing of databases between states. The act also made various modifications to U.S. immigration law regarding asylum, border security, deportation, and specific work visas.

The difference is that voting is a function required by the constitution. Both a citizens duty and right.

Boarding a plane or accessing a federal building is not.

[HoHound]

I was poor half my life. I never had problems producing an ID to do anything. Women have never had an issue voting because they are married. This is Democrat fear mongering.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

The difference is that voting is a function required by the constitution. Both a citizens duty and right...

US Constitution you say? Citizen thereof you say? So only US citizens should be allowed to vote you say?

I say; show me your papers please.

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by HoHound

I was poor half my life. I never had problems producing an ID to do anything. Women have never had an issue voting because they are married. This is Democrat fear mongering.

Complete falsehood as is the thread.
There's an easy fix for the documents women need. Address that first then the votes would been different

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

US Constitution you say? Citizen thereof you say? So only US citizens should be allowed to vote you say?

I say; show me your papers please.

And I say you would be disenfranchising millions of actual and potential voters.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...n-center-study

Millions of US voters lack access to documents to prove citizenship

New study reveals number of people potentially affected by Republican efforts to prevent ‘non-citizen voting’

Nearly one in 10 eligible voters lack easy access to documents to prove their citizenship, according to a new survey, underscoring how Republican efforts to purportedly prevent non-citizens from voting could disenfranchise millions.

If asked to quickly locate a passport, birth certificate or naturalization papers to produce proof of citizenship tomorrow, more than 21 million Americans – about 9% of eligible voters – would not be able to, according to the survey, conducted by the Brennan Center for Justice, VoteRiders, Public Wise, and the Center for Democracy and Civic Engagement (CDCE) at the University of Maryland. Nearly 4 million American citizens – 2% in total – lack access to any form of proof in citizenship.