Thomas Jefferson on Good Government

[CuteOldGuy]

"A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government." --Thomas Jefferson

Does that sound like either Obama or Romney?

[CuteOldGuy]

Lol! No one has a comment. That's how unfamiliar we are with good government anymore.

[i'va biggen]

Means there is agreement

[joe bloe]

We have destroyed the republic because we ignored the Constitution. At the end of the day, it's not rocket science. The constitution was put in place as a firewall to protect us from the mob. The founders knew that a simple majority rule democracy could not endure; the people would loot the treasury.

Once we started the social welfare state under FDR, our failure was inevitable. The amazing thing is, the Democrats are still bragging about creating the entitlement programs that have bankrupted us. It's surreal.

[ChoomCzar]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

Once we started the social welfare state under FDR, our failure was inevitable. The amazing thing is, the Democrats are still bragging about creating the entitlement programs that have bankrupted us. It's surreal.

the liberal filth don't believe it's possible to bankrupt the US.......though our finances are bad, I'm not convinced we are at a crisis stage......I think we can go on for decades before collapse......at collapse, the solution is easy, no more freebies for the free-loaders.....we have a decade or so of chaos, then we go on good as new......the problem doesn't get solved until we hit collapse.....but collapse and bankruptcy are inevitable.....when will it happen? Not anytime soon..........

[markroxny]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

"A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government." --Thomas Jefferson

Does that sound like either Obama or Romney?

Was this before or after he fathered several children with his slaves?

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by ChoomCzar

the liberal filth don't believe it's possible to bankrupt the US.......though our finances are bad, I'm not convinced we are at a crisis stage......I think we can go on for decades before collapse......at collapse, the solution is easy, no more freebies for the free-loaders.....we have a decade or so of chaos, then we go on good as new......the problem doesn't get solved until we hit collapse.....but collapse and bankruptcy are inevitable.....when will it happen? Not anytime soon..........

When we can't roll over the debt at a low interest rate, the house of cards will collapse. Paul Ryan says in two years, if we don't control spending, we'll be like Greece.

My guess is when the austerity programs are implemented, there will be massive rioting that will make Greece and Spain seem like nothing. The welfare parasites are going to go feral.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by markroxny

Was this before or after he fathered several children with his slaves?

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[markroxny]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

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His descendants are proof.

Are you gonna tell me he didn't own slaves either???

[Yssup Rider]

I'd comment, but Jefferson's been downgraded to a minor prophet by the Texas Board of Education.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by markroxny

Was this before or after he fathered several children with his slaves?

Originally Posted by markroxny

His descendants are proof.

Are you gonna tell me he didn't own slaves either???

And what exactly is your point? Name one other major 18th century nation -- European or African -- that did not condone and engage in the slave trade. BTW, are you aware that Sally Hemings was Martha Wayles Skelton -- Jefferson's wife -- half sister and that Hemings children were manumitted by Jefferson?

[nevergaveitathought]

there is some debate as to Thomas Jefferson fathering Sally Hemings children

The Thomas Jefferson Foundation formed a research committee consisting of nine members of the foundation staff, including four with Ph.D.s. In January 2000, the committee reported that the weight of all known evidence--from the DNA study, original documents, written and oral historical accounts, and statistical data--indicated a high probability that Thomas Jefferson was the father of Eston Hemings, and that he was likely the father of all six of Sally Hemings's children listed in Monticello records--Harriet (born 1795; died in infancy); Beverly (born 1798); an unnamed daughter (born 1799; died in infancy); Harriet (born 1801); Madison (born 1805); and Eston (born 1808).

Since then, a committee commissioned by the Thomas Jefferson Heritage Society, after reviewing essentially the same material, reached different conclusions, namely that Sally Hemings was only a minor figure in Thomas Jefferson's life and that it is very unlikely he fathered any of her children. This committee also suggested in its report, issued in April 2001 and revised in 2011, that Jefferson's younger brother Randolph (1755-1815) was more likely the father of at least some of Sally Hemings's children.

[CuteOldGuy]

This is typical. When the libs can't rebut what a person says, they resort to character assassination. Interesting.

[markroxny]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

This is typical. When the libs can't rebut what a person says, they resort to character assassination. Interesting.

It's not about rebutting, you take one quote and hold it up like some kind of flag for all to see. Jefferson said a LOT. Jefferson did a LOT. Some of it great, some of it fucking shameful.

So Im not gonna bow down to one quote from a complicated and flawed slave owner. Sorry.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by markroxny

It's not about rebutting, you take one quote and hold it up like some kind of flag for all to see. Jefferson said a LOT. Jefferson did a LOT. Some of it great, some of it fucking shameful.

So Im not gonna bow down to one quote from a complicated and flawed slave owner. Sorry.

But you are dopey enough to project 21st values onto someone who lived three hundred years ago. Answer the question, marks-rocks-with-pee, can you name a single, major 18th century power -- European or African -- that did not condone and engage in the slave trade?