Repuke Platform bans abortion....no exception for rape or incest

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

It is, but that canard has been so abused by most parties in the abortion industry that it has become an obscene excuse for murder.....

I will agree it has almost certainly been overused, but I made no claims about how often is happens legitimately (or as an excuse).

I only said it is a very difficult moral decision when it does happen.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Then you fucking gestate the product of violence and raise it. That's right; you can't. But as a man you sure can rape a woman, and as a woman, I can't rape anyone.



This is just pure bullshit. A zygote is a zygote not a person. You want the product of a father raping his child so fucking badly, you plant the zygote in your child's belly. Does that sound like a good idea to you? Let your child be fucked up in the head because she took a child to term when she was 13 and had her life destroyed.

That's the thing that pisses me off the most about self-righteous assholes that want to punish a girl or a woman because some violent man raped her. You place a higher value on his right to procreate and / or on the cell reproduction of a zygote over a living, sentient being who has the poor taste to be female. People like you need to either gestate and raise the zygote yourself or your child needs to. It's important after all.

I suggest you reread wtf Old-T posted.


All he was doing was calling attention to a linear thought process.


I happen to agree with him.

Though I do not think abortion murder (morning after pill or in the first tri) , I do think the people that do think it murder but that it ok to murder in the name of inconvenience really really lame in their thought process.

If it is not murder, then it should be allowed.

If it is murder, then it should not be allowed.

That was all he was pointing out.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Old-T

I will agree it has almost certainly been overused, but I made no claims about how often is happens legitimately (or as an excuse).

I only said it is a very difficult moral decision when it does happen.

in vitro fertilization is something the pro life folks avoid like the plague.

Romney's kids have had this procedure, does that make them murders?

According to Whirly , it does.


He will not respond to this point. I would love to hear the pro lifers respond to this question:
Are Mitt Romney's kids murders because they used in vitro fertilization?

I do not understand why Team Obama will not beat them over the head with this question!

[Whirlaway]

For you to ask "where are the pro-lifers on the vitro fertilaization question makes me ask: Where have you been for the past decade while the vitro fertalization debate has been raging?

[CuteOldGuy]

It wouldn't do Obama any good to really piss off the Pro-Life crowd like that. We all know where they stand. They should both shut up about it.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

For you to ask "where are the pro-lifers on the vitro fertilaization question makes me ask: Where have you been for the past decade while the vitro fertalization debate has been raging?

Are Mitt Romney's children murders in your eyes?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

It wouldn't do Obama any good to really piss off the Pro-Life crowd like that. We all know where they stand. They should both shut up about it.

Why should both sides STFU about it.

Does one side get to be hypocritical pricks and pick and choose when murder (in their mind) when it is ok and when it is not?

[CuteOldGuy]

I'm just saying it is better politically to stfu about it. The Dems don't need the pro-lifers any more activated than they are now, and the Reps don't need the pro-choicers any more agitated.

The law isn't going to change, even if they change the SCOTUS. All the issue will do for both sides is aggravate and motivate their enemies.

It's a political recommendation. That's all. I used to love this stuff back when I thought it mattered. But if Obama wants to hammer the Republicans on this, there is a good chance of a backlash. It may work against him. He already has the pro-choice crowd on his side. What good would it do him to piss off the pro-lifers even more than they are?

[Whirlaway]

I don't want you to STFU; please tell us what Obama's position is on late term abortions and why he voted in favor of infanticide legislation ? A much more signficant moral outrage than anything the Romney kids may or may have not done....since not all in vitro procedures result in the knowingly planned destruction of embryo.

And why does the Democratic Platform support late term abortions when it is nationally condemend by most ?

Please tell us.

Originally Posted by WTF

Why should both sides STFU about it.

Does one side get to be hypocritical pricks and pick and choose when murder (in their mind) when it is ok and when it is not?

[WTF]

Check out the other thread for the history of the politics of the total Bullshit and distortion on the late term crap.

BTW, You can't answer the question can you.

Are the Romney kids murders if in fact their in vitro fertilization resulted in discharged fertilized eggs.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

. What good would it do him to piss off the pro-lifers even more than they are?

I would like the pro lifers to start cutting off their nose to spite their face.

If in fact it is murder, then no more in vitro fertilization.

They are not for actually stopping this procedure, you know why? They really do not think that abortion at that early an stage really is murder. Just like I do not.

Or are they really trying to say that it is justified murder?

Or is it as I suspect, a wedge issue that the GOP uses to raise cain.

[nevergaveitathought]

Isn't Obama on record for allowing babies, while outside the womb,who having miraculously survived one attempt on their lives to be hunted down and, despite their cries and any kicks of their legs or self defense moves with their arms, be dispatched unceremoniously by goons belonging in a much larger weight class?

In addition to the gruesome murder that it is, to actually bureaucratically stamp approval on this act never having to face it yourself, be made to view this, be forced to face it, in all it's horrificness, is a sordid wave of dismissal and then asking ok, what time is lunch?

[texasjohn1965]

I'm not a "pro-lifer", but I will take a stab at it......

What happens to a fertilized egg in a petri dish if there is no further interaction? It ceases to grow.
What happens to a fertilized egg in the womb if there is no further interaction? A child is born.

Even if the womans egg is fertilized, that is no guarantee that the egg is carried full term. Sometimes a womans body rejects the pregnancy, that does not make her a murderer.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by WTF

They really do not think that abortion at that early an stage really is murder. Just like I do not.
Or are they really trying to say that it is justified murder?

If they truly thought it was murder, shouldn't they be proposing the death penalty for anyone who had an abortion? They are pro death penalty after all. But no, they wanna take the easy way out and simply argue that abortion should be illegal, rather than have the courage of their convictions and propose actual penalties for those who commit, and contract for, abortions. They realize that proposing 25 to life for an 18 year old who has an abortion would pretty much end the debate.

And really, shouldn't they even be advocating that we liberate any country that allows abortion? Or is it only our supposed internal infanticide that they're worried about?

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

Isn't Obama on record for allowing babies, while outside the womb,who having miraculously survived one attempt on their lives to be hunted down and, despite their cries and any kicks of their legs or self defense moves with their arms, be dispatched unceremoniously by goons belonging in a much larger weight class?

Nope. But you don't care about the facts so i won't bother.

Originally Posted by texasjohn1965

Even if the womans egg is fertilized, that is no guarantee that the egg is carried full term.

Do you really wanna use that argument to claim that abortion should be illegal?

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by Doove

Nope. But you don't care about the facts so i won't bother.



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Ahhh but I do care. I put my post in the form of a question because I have only heard people speak of this. If you have something on this post it as a service