Profile Of A Provider

[Mokoa]

Reminds me of two things...

The definition of insanity.

The saying that says... Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it.

[Bliss]

Originally Posted by Fast Gunn

I don't see why it is not readily apparent to everyone that there are indeed legitimate categories of people in this world.

Take for example, professional football players.

They are all different, but you can still put together a profile that adequately describes a major sector of that group.

Can we all focus on the issue and address it like adults?

When all you do is sling mud then it makes you look like a total doofus!

I think professional football players would disagree, just as the providers here have disagreed that you can profile a major sector of that group. There are roughly 50 players to a team, 32 teams, that is 1600 players. I think the only thing you can say about all of them for sure is that they know how to play football.

If there was a baseline profile of a provider there wouldn't be so many of them getting business. It's because of the diversity, and unique qualities that we succeed individually in our businesses. I'm married, mother of five, member of the p.t.a. with a full time civilian job and a college degree. I bet that isn't what you had in mind in your profile.

[Fast Gunn]

Originally Posted by Bliss

I think professional football players would disagree, just as the providers here have disagreed that you can profile a major sector of that group. There are roughly 50 players to a team, 32 teams, that is 1600 players. I think the only thing you can say about all of them for sure is that they know how to play football.

If there was a baseline profile of a provider there wouldn't be so many of them getting business. It's because of the diversity, and unique qualities that we succeed individually in our businesses. I'm married, mother of five, member of the p.t.a. with a full time civilian job and a college degree. I bet that isn't what you had in mind in your profile.

You are correct about your assessment, Bliss. I would have never guessed that you were a provider based solely on your qualifications.

However, what I am trying to do here is merely paint with a broad brush to build a general profile of a provider.

Think of this as a hobby of mine and working within the general hobby world.

While football players are all different, you can still construct a general profile that would fit the majority of that subset of the population. A well-defined profile of football players would be distinctly different from a profile of say, race horse jockeys, but both are useful.

One other thing I would say about providers is that it is only a transitional occupation for the most part. These girls soon realize that their youth and beauty could bring them a lot more money than a regular civilian job, but they need courage to meet the challenges of the profession.

Once I have constructed a workable profile, I am sure that there would always be those like yourself who simply "do not fit the profile".

[EmilyHemingway]

Originally Posted by Fast Gunn

Once I have constructed a workable profile, I am sure that there would always be those like yourself who simply "do not fit the profile".

Which is a demonstration that the profile isn't successful. And that, essentially, is what everyone is telling you. It is quixotic to attempt to define large numbers of people by shared characteristics, especially as "shared characteristics" is due more to perception that any actual commonality.

What you'll come up with isn't a usable profile, but rather a justification for what you already believed. It won't be useful, it won't be accurate, it's merely a declaration of how fascinating you find your own navel. Booooring.

[Bliss]

Profile of a provider......

Has sex for money.

There ya go.

[huck finn]

I've read this thread with a lot of interest. I have hesitated to comment because my first thought in reading this is "damn, you guys are sensitive!" I think that FG has said some legitimate things, but I don't want to say that b/c he is the villian here, and I don't want to get jumped on like him. This is my take on the whole thing, and I say this with all due respect to you ladies, and I do respect you.

Everyone can be categorized or profiled to a certain extent. We are all individuals and therefore we all have different stories. No individual can be put into a tight little box and say that's the way everyone is of that race, religion, ethnic group, profession, etc. But at the same time everyone who belongs to these different groups do have general things in common. Hell, you could certainly profile the people in my profession without a lot of difficulty. But at the same time we are all different. We are different genders, ethnic groups, and ages. We all have certain qualifications that are required to do what we do, but we have obtained them in different ways. Individually, we all have different personalities, but we all share common traits, because if we didn't we could not do the job requirements.

I thought the football analogy was very good. Professional football players are individuals with different stories and backgrounds, but most all of them share things that the rest of the public don't. Most everyone one of them have played since they were young. They have trained hard to do what they do. The vast majority have been high school and college stars. They study and understand playbooks that we don't have a clue about. They know all the ins and outs and politics of the locker rooms. They play different positions, but they all get the crap knocked out to them and knock it out of others. They get praise and adulation from the public when they do well and kicked to the curb when they do bad. Their job security is short lived. I could go on and on, but you get the point. I don't know what any of that is like because I didn't play football. But there are things that are very unique about their profession that they all share in common. Oh yeah, they also make a lot of money. There are wide variations to the amounts, but its a lot more than most people make in a life time of working at regular jobs.

Having said that, IMHO I think that this was all FG was wanting to know. We respect your individuality as people, but what are the things you have in common as providers? I could tell you about those things about the people in my profession, but it's not nearly as interesting as yours.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by EmilyHemingway

It won't be useful, it won't be accurate,

Hell, i'm still trying to figure out how an accurate profile would be useful.

I think Bliss pretty much nailed it. Though i do agree with Huck Finn that piling on FG over this is a little over the top. When i read his original post, i thought it's biggest sin was that it was a rather lame topic that would be one of those that ended up with no more than 1 or 2 replies. Little did i know....

[Black Sedan]

With all due respect. FG's concept of what profiling means is ass-backwards.

Profiling as a practice is defined by using the disciplines of sociology, anthropology, and psychology to illustrate a composite description of likely character traits, behaviors, affinities and personal history of an individual.

The term, and practice, does not translate to attempts to generalize a group who exhibit a single commonality.

I'm not picking at semantics, I'm challenging the assumptions in the thinking.

[China Doll]

Originally Posted by Black Sedan

With all due respect. FG's concept of what profiling means is ass-backwards.

Profiling as a practice is defined by using the disciplines of sociology, anthropology, and psychology to illustrate a composite description of likely character traits, behaviors, affinities and personal history of an individual.

The term, and practice, does not translate to attempts to generalize a group who exhibit a single commonality.

I'm not picking at semantics, I'm challenging the assumptions in the thinking.

Finally, someone has said what I have been thinking all along! I did not want to post what you just did because I spend far too much time focusing on semantics than I should, and I feared that this would have been one of those times.

I think that you are on to something. If Fast Gunn had phrased his "question" differently to ask what he claims he wanted to know, this thread never would have happened. For example: "What kinds of things do you think the majority of providers have in common?" This would be an inoffensive way to go about his goal without implying a difference between providers and the "average" woman, which is what caused the problem in the first place.

[Fast Gunn]

Originally Posted by China Doll

Finally, someone has said what I have been thinking all along! I did not want to post what you just did because I spend far too much time focusing on semantics than I should, and I feared that this would have been one of those times.

I think that you are on to something. If Fast Gunn had phrased his "question" differently to ask what he claims he wanted to know, this thread never would have happened. For example: "What kinds of things do you think the majority of providers have in common?" This would be an inoffensive way to go about his goal without implying a difference between providers and the "average" woman, which is what caused the problem in the first place.

China Doll, I don't know how to break this to you without offending your delicate sensibilities, but there most certainly is a difference between providers and the average woman.

To my mind, that was a given. They have totally different mindsets.

Furthermore, I really don't understand the uproar over my inquiry since it was phrased very respectfully and quite objectively.

Please don't read any more into my inquiry than what I wrote.

To illustrate further from your own example, I would say that the average woman tends to be much more conservative than a provider.

I would also say that the average woman leads a slower and more quiet lifestyle than a provider who lives life in the fast lane.

I think that your distress arises from an erroneous belief that I may think that the average woman is somehow better than a provider.

But, just to clear the air, I do not think that at all.

Providers and average women are just different categories of women, that's all, at least in my mind.

[China Doll]

No, Fastgunn, you are the one who is mistaken. I did not mean to imply that you believe that the average woman is better than a provider...I do not see that in your post. Nor did I say that providers don't have different tendencies from the average woman.

I thought it was pretty clear that the second paragraph was to be taken in context with the first. Given the actual definition of the word "profile," as explained by Black Sedan, it was heavily implied that you were looking for things that separate the individual provider from "average" women. This is offensive to people, as evidenced by the attack on you after you started this thread.

Instead, it seems you didn't mean "profile," nor did you mean to compare providers to the average woman. Even if you had intended the latter, I think it would have been fine if you hadn't accidentally implied the things you did. I hope you understand my point better now. Also, just for fun, I am going to publicly make note of the fact that your post was littered with insults against me personally, whilst mine was not insulting to you. If you read between the lines, I was saying that this was a misunderstanding, which actually makes me one of the few people who defended you.

[China Doll]

Originally Posted by Fast Gunn

Providers and average women are just different categories of women, that's all, at least in my mind.

Side note: Different categories of women? So we're all different from the average woman? Maybe you did mean to use the word "profile" if you really separate us from average women to that extent. Also, you can't create a category of "average woman" without identifying the variables which you are taking into account. In other words, if you already know on what variables average women and providers differ, then you already knew the answer to the question of this thread.

[offshoredrilling]

Originally Posted by Fast Gunn

To illustrate further from your own example, I would say that the average woman tends to be much more conservative than a provider.

I would also say that the average woman leads a slower and more quiet lifestyle than a provider who lives life in the fast lane.

I must say of the providers that I have been seeing are very conservative. I am sure not all are conservative. But most providers that I keep seeing over and over again are. One is a Rush insider.

And having been dating the same ones for many years. And some how got to be friends. Some of the ones I see lead the most quiet of lifestyles. Yet others I know are hard to keep up with.

Guys that hobby, and the providers we see come form all walks of life. And have all types of lifestyles. Just like the real world. You will never know what a provider is like unless you get to be part of there real life.

Over my years of the hobby most will not let you into there real world. Of the ones that have let me in. None are the same. And some just are not at all what they are like as providers.

The only little box you can put providers in as I see it is they are part of this hobby.

If you are trying to get to be buddys with a provider. Forget it and stop trying. It is just like at work. Some you will get to know well. Others that you work with you will never know them, other than time at work. It is just the way it is.

[EmilyHemingway]

Originally Posted by Fast Gunn

China Doll, I don't know how to break this to you without offending your delicate sensibilities, but there most certainly is a difference between providers and the average woman.

To my mind, that was a given. They have totally different mindsets.
...

To illustrate further from your own example, I would say that the average woman tends to be much more conservative than a provider.

I would also say that the average woman leads a slower and more quiet lifestyle than a provider who lives life in the fast lane.

I think that your distress arises from an erroneous belief that I may think that the average woman is somehow better than a provider.

"Perception is the filter by which we view reality. In theory this works quite well, but then so does communism. All men are idealists and view the world through rose-tinted glasses, the left hand lens being called Experience and the right Bias, both such being so wound up in who we are that the whole is called Ego. Ordinary pink spectacles they are to others but to our own selves perception is a validation and summation of our existence. Thus will a man choose perception over reality if the latter disagrees with the former. To an intellect, this is irony – to a bastard, this is opportunity."

Aaaand that's about enough beating my head against the brick wall of your skull. At least you spelled "erroneous" correctly and didn't claim providers are stupid, which is something.

Profile of a provider......

Has sex for money.

For the win!

[Fast Gunn]

Originally Posted by China Doll

Side note: Different categories of women? So we're all different from the average woman? Maybe you did mean to use the word "profile" if you really separate us from average women to that extent. Also, you can't create a category of "average woman" without identifying the variables which you are taking into account. In other words, if you already know on what variables average women and providers differ, then you already knew the answer to the question of this thread.

A wise man knows when he is being drawn into a quarrel and chose not to go there.

I do not know the answer at least, not the full answer, China Doll, that is why I was asking the question!


Sometimes your many words make my head spin! Is that your intent?