Visiting Provider Rates Too High?

[bigryan222]

Originally Posted by Gemma34

If I were to try to price what I think myself and my services are worth, I would say priceless (:

That is interesting, time with me is priceless also

My only two pieces of legit input is that comparing KC to Chicago for rates is not all that valid since the cost of everything there is higher. Also, I think most of the girls travel for their benefit so Im personally not up for paying for their benefit unless I am trying to talk a girl into visiting.

As others have said, girls are free to charge as much as they want. I am free to find a girl as cheap as I want. We are both free to bitch about the other.

[big country]

Originally Posted by bigryan222

That is interesting, time with me is priceless also

My only two pieces of legit input is that comparing KC to Chicago for rates is not all that valid since the cost of everything there is higher. Also, I think most of the girls travel for their benefit so Im personally not up for paying for their benefit unless I am trying to talk a girl into visiting.

As others have said, girls are free to charge as much as they want. I am free to find a girl as cheap as I want. We are both free to bitch about the other.

Well said

[kuhoplite]

Originally Posted by big country

I use the gauge When the door shuts do I miss the girl more than the money.

Bingo. 350-400/hr isn't out of the question, but that bar is pretty darn high, for me.

[SexyKelly316]

I believe that if is to high then dont see that povider there are alot of providers here in kc that are in all the price ranges so you can find someone that peaks your interest me personally understands that we all work hard for the income we have and I go off of the economy but at the same time I will not negotiate my price because this is my business If you walk into any place and see something you want you cant ask the sell person to lower the price so you can afford it so there for you can either save your money and come back another day or go somewhere else.

[ss4699]

Originally Posted by sexykelly316

I... I will not negotiate my price because this is my business If you walk into any place and see something you want you cant ask the sell person to lower the price so you can afford it so there for you can either save your money and come back another day or go somewhere else.

New cars, used cars. Clothing on sale, furniture on sale, computers on sale. Back to school sales. Clearance sales, so it depends on your business model and how much product you want to sell? And how much you like your clients and the services you offer? I see many models where a lower price can and will has been offered and a lower price can be suggested. So why is there a nt on your model??
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=515767 have you read this one Kelly?

[MsElena]

There's a flaw to the way of your thinking. A business such as a car lot, clothing store, furniture store or electronics store as you've mentioned gets more business and can afford to have those clearance sales because they're still making money due to the fact that they will have more customers in one day compared to the amount of clients that a provider would have in a day.

You ask how much we like our clients, how about how much do you like the ladies you see or want to see? We shouldn't have to lower our price in order to show much we like you.

As some have suggested, its your money.....spend it as you wish. But, don't knock a lady because her rates aren't what you would pay. What is expensive to you is cheap to someone else and what is cheap to you is expensive to someone else.

There are a slew of ladies who are local and travel that will always been in your price range.

[SexyKelly316]

I feel that my time and services are worth much more but like I said I understand that everyone works hard for what they have and work for and with the economy now a days i have lowered my rates and I wont negotiate with a first time client now if i see someone alot and they want to see me but a ll low on cas i might negotiate with them for a one time deal but this is my business and i do have to make a living. you wouldnt want ur employer saying "hey can we pay u only x amount an hour today cause u should show us you want to be here with us" no i dont think so U would laugh at them so just like your hourly/salary you make an hour, providers have the same we shouldnt have to negotaite our rates I know alot of providers who will do daily specials and holiday specials so why should we lower our pay when you wouldnt lower you pay at your job?

[merz5]

Excellent discussion. This board and the reviews that are posted help (me at least) make some mostly good decisions on what provider brings enough value to go for higher than the standard rate ($300 or more) and what providers need to be under $200 for the hour to get my business. I was lucky enough to see Layla Angelique twice when she was visiting from Austin last month and she was a BARGAIN at $300 for the hour. Wish I had unlimited funds and I would have seen her again that week! As has been mentioned, $200-250 seems to be the going rate here. From looking at ads, it seems like Wichita is more like $175-200. I like to keep it just under $200 if possible as it allows me to not have to wait quite so long between sessions but I also try to get a GFE and that usually comes at or above the $200 mark. Happy Hobbying everyone and thanks for the information.

[ss4699]

Originally Posted by MsElena

There's a flaw to the way of your thinking. A business such as a car lot, clothing store, furniture store or electronics store as you've mentioned gets more business and can afford to have those clearance sales because they're still making money due to the fact that they will have more customers in one day compared to the amount of clients that a provider would have in a day..

Ms E - not sure if your comments were directed toward me or the original poster. So consider profit margin in your thoughts. Volume is the concept you presented as an issue. IF the margin is 4% then volume is needed to make a comfortable profit. However. I have a feeling that making even $100 and hour would result in a fairly high profit margin. Renting a room $30-120 a day/buying a house $20-50 a day - so $3-$10 per hour. Make up/hair $60-100 per month. $2 to $4 an hour. clothing $100-$300 per month. $4 - $12 per hour. So combined: cost $9-$26 per hour. If the rate is $100 per hour then the profit is 91% to 74%. Retail is usually 4% to 9%. So there is not real comparison. The questions is how many hours are filled? :

Originally Posted by MsElena

You ask how much we like our clients, how about how much do you like the ladies you see or want to see? We shouldn't have to lower our price in order to show much we like you.

I don't think I have ever asked a lady to lower a price in the 40+ years I have hobbied. I have asked about special and used them when available. If this is directed toward me, I would allow say that I have had a few providers who have given grandfathered rates which I have appreciated on may ocassions. I don't think I have forced or corerced this from any provider? Ladies?

Originally Posted by MsElena

There are a slew of ladies who are local and travel that will always been in your price range.

Again, who is this directed to, Ms E? How many in a slew? And those are in my pice level? Just a little confused on this comment, if it is headed my way?

[MsElena]

The top two paragraphs were directed at you NTT hence the car/furniture references. The last couple sentences were just in general.

I didn't say that you NTT have forced or corerced (your words) any lady into a discounted rate.

Your model doesn't hold true for all ladies, maybe for some but not all ladies, especially traveling ladies. There's more expenses when traveling and also you need to take into account that some ladies have professional photos taken....buy more lingerie/clothing/shoes for certain clients based upon their desires and then also toys (if the lady uses them)/lube/condoms.

To break down why a lady charges what she does a couple times a year is quite frustrating.

[JayceeRivers]

Not to impede. Though I highly agree with pricing as you wish and paying as you wish. (just like buying a car there are indeed lots that are pricier and lots that are cheaper. Cars with more miles on them cars with less)

Please keep in mind our expenses are not limited to just looking lovely for you and having a place to take you back to.

IE: health coverage. we either buy our own independent insurance (try doing that with no proof of occupation its quite fun) Or pay out of cash for or dental or medical.

Some girls upkeep two residences to make your incall more affordable (obviously not myself) That means a whole second set of electricity, water, heat, rent ect

The gas money it takes to get to you. (this one applies to me) if you are a hour away I spend a quarter tank of gas everytime I head your way

Car upkeep: that much driving on our part is of course going to cause more car bills,

Those bags some of us bring with extra frivious items to play with.

Of course as mentioned beauty. Be advised that for some of us hair upkeep alone can range over 300 dollars a month or even more! Makeup, nails, ect all these extra things to make us look our best does cap a bigger number than you think. Those with wives that put extra into their appearance can get a half estimate on what a provider might spend.

And what this post is all about...traveling. No she does not have to travel but she is tripling her expenses to do so to give the wonderful men of kansas city the option of more variety (how wonderful of her to do that!!) Her prices are going to cover all of that gas, room, food (even if she eats off the dollar menu its going to get pricey) and it covers her extra RISK. Most traveling girls have extra screening processes they pay a mint for. Not to mention advertising they need/desire.

This is not to condone or condemn those that pay the world or perfer a bargain. Nor is it to condone or condemn those that charge lower or higher.

Its merely a thoughtful explenation as to why someone might up the donation or have a higher donation.


Sidenote: walmart is cheap, they buy direct they have alot of traffic. Prada is not. they specialize on the name and quality. Walmarts purse is not better or worse than prada's. It all depends on what YOU want when your shopping. If you want a variety of purses that everyone else has had or will have, it serves the same purpose can look just as good and is cheaper. If you choose to spend on prada you have a higher likelyhood of not seeing that purse on someone elses arm as often even if it serves the same purpose. Same thing with a stationwagon or a benz . Its all percpective and desire no one is better than the other and we shop to what fits our own personal interests and budget.

[ss4699]

Originally Posted by MsElena

The top two paragraphs were directed at you NTT hence the car/furniture references.... Your model doesn't hold true for all ladies, maybe for some but not all ladies, especially traveling ladies. ....

You are right Ms E and Jaycee makes a similar point, I did over simplify and did not included traveler items in the mix. Thanks for bring that to our attention ladies.

Originally Posted by JayceeRivers

.....IE: health coverage. we either buy our own independent insurance (try doing that with no proof of occupation its quite fun) Or pay out of cash for or dental or medical.

Some girls upkeep two residences to make your incall more affordable (obviously not myself) That means a whole second set of electricity, water, heat, rent ect

The gas money..Those bags some of us bring with extra frivious items to play with.....hair upkeep alone can range over 300 dollars a month or even more! Makeup, nails, ect all these extra things to make us look our best does cap a bigger number than you think. Those with wives that put extra into their appearance can get a half estimate on what a provider might spend.

And what this post is all about...traveling. No she does not have to travel but she is tripling her expenses to do so to give the wonderful men of kansas city the option of more variety (how wonderful of her to do that!!) Her prices are going to cover all of that gas, room, food (even if she eats off the dollar menu its going to get pricey) and it covers her extra RISK. Most traveling girls have extra screening processes they pay a mint for. Not to mention advertising they need/desire.

This is not to condone or condemn those that pay the world or perfer a bargain. Nor is it to condone or condemn those that charge lower or higher.

Its merely a thoughtful explenation as to why someone might up the donation or have a higher donation. ....

I would agree with all your comments ladies. My numbers were low and I did not do traveling expenses. And the variance with Nortstrums and Walmart is a good illustration as well.

[garcia_fan]

Originally Posted by newtotown

Ms E - not sure if your comments were directed toward me or the original poster. So consider profit margin in your thoughts. Volume is the concept you presented as an issue. IF the margin is 4% then volume is needed to make a comfortable profit. However. I have a feeling that making even $100 and hour would result in a fairly high profit margin. Renting a room $30-120 a day/buying a house $20-50 a day - so $3-$10 per hour. Make up/hair $60-100 per month. $2 to $4 an hour. clothing $100-$300 per month. $4 - $12 per hour. So combined: cost $9-$26 per hour. If the rate is $100 per hour then the profit is 91% to 74%. Retail is usually 4% to 9%. So there is not real comparison. The questions is how many hours are filled?

I think your numbers are a little off, but I like nice things. I used to consult on a regular basis. If I only charged my clients for what I had invested... I would have brought in roughly $3/day.

Originally Posted by newtotown

And the variance with Nortstrums and Walmart is a good illustration as well.

I reckon you were fixin to say "nordstrom."

[ss4699]

Originally Posted by garcia_fan

I think your numbers are a little off, but I like nice things. I used to consult on a regular basis. If I only charged my clients for what I had invested... I would have brought in roughly $3/day.

Hum, did you provider adult services at one time one time, otherwise there would not be a valid comparison, right?

Originally Posted by garcia_fan

I reckon you were fixin to say "nordstrom."

You got it. Don't have that card any more or the woman that went with it.

[garcia_fan]

Originally Posted by newtotown

Hum, did you provider adult services at one time one time, otherwise there would not be a valid comparison, right?


You got it. Don't have that card any more or the woman that went with it.

Wrong. People we're paying me to provide a service. The nature of the service is irrelevant. My point was that it doesn't matter what costs are involved. If someone can have a successful business, while charging a seemingly higher rate, I see no reason to ask for less. It's quite simple. If you had the option of choosing your salary, would you aim high or settle for what others we're getting?