how much info should i give for reference check?

[JDNorthface]

Oh, that's silly, TJ. And you don't even believe it yourself. I've read too much of your stuff. You, too, believe that gentlemen have to be safe, don't you?

What we all know to be true is that for a number of reasons the hobby can be dangerous for both ladies and gentlemen. Each has to take measures to protect him or herself. For the ladies, screening is required. For the gents, some degree of anonymity is required.

That's why someday, someone will come up with a third-party agency where the appropriate screening can be performed and provided to the lady without compromising the identify of the client.

Oh, wait...

[CoHorn]

TJ, where the hell did that come from? Nobody said for her not to screen. The man asked if he should show her his paycheck and everyone said no. If you think that all men feel that way, you may need to look into another business or at least take a break.

[Tiffani Jameson]

Originally Posted by JDNorthface

Oh, that's silly, TJ. And you don't even believe it yourself. I've read too much of your stuff. You, too, believe that gentlemen have to be safe, don't you?

What we all know to be true is that for a number of reasons the hobby can be dangerous for both ladies and gentlemen. Each has to take measures to protect him or herself. For the ladies, screening is required. For the gents, some degree of anonymity is required.

That's why someday, someone will come up with a third-party agency where the appropriate screening can be performed and provided to the lady without compromising the identify of the client.

Oh, wait...

I'm glad someone gets me, JD.

Of course I want you gents to stay safe too. And really, no measure is all safe in these times when handles are being compromised, and girls not being tough ENOUGH on screening are going to jail. It's really becoming the nature of the business to feel this insecure when you can't trust the information you're given. The tougher things get for us to stay free, the more ladies will require for screening. The more we require, the more you back off from screening,

Originally Posted by CoHorn

TJ, where the hell did that come from? Nobody said for her not to screen. The man asked if he should show her his paycheck and everyone said no. If you think that all men feel that way, you may need to look into another business or at least take a break.

I know, I went ALLL the way to left field, didn't I? That was my anti-Tiffani impression. If I had said that to your face, you'd see that it would have been hard to keep a straight face as I said it. I'm a terrible actress. LOL

It was merely a poke at the dangers of this industry for both parties. I know somebody's thinking it!! Personally, I have never had to request a gentleman's check stub because there were other evidences that he was telling the truth about where he works. My only purpose is to find out that you're NOT the police. I usually have no problem getting information for screening. If they don't agree, I'm not chasing them down.

But to me, the underlying gist of this thread is how much do you trust someone with your personal information?

The problem is, when you're a new guy, and you have the mentality that women in our profession are out to get you, you'll probably visit less than reputable women in order to avoid screening because some guy who's seen every girl on the market since the streetwalker days will tell you not to trust us with your information. And I'm not saying that there aren't some popular ladies who are complete hazards to the whole industry's safety. There are ladies extorting and blackmailing men now, intensifying this mistrust and stereotypical mind set.

Ladies and gentlemen, my bottom line is this, and I know this is going to miss some of you, because you're not thinking with the right head: choose your companions well. There are ladies you shouldn't lay your bubble gum around, let alone believe they are screening you with your information. They try to tell you who not to see, won't respond to reference requests on time, and cuss you out when you see someone else. But there are some good ladies out there, so do your research.

Ladies, watch how you carry yourselves (not talking to the ones that do). If you're doing some shady stuff, it only hurts us as a WHOLE. We can't get references from each other as it is, and when we have to screen on our own terms, guys don't want to because their buddies are getting mistreated.

CoHorn sugarpie honeybunch, I don't have a jaded bone in my body. I usually see both sides to a coin. I know that in these times, it's going to be hard for both the ladies and the gents, and someone's got to bend. Common sense has got to intervene in both our decision making processes.

[KenMonk]

this got very amusing very quickly.

[outoftheblue]

A couple of references from established providers and my cell does it. If you have no references, then see a newbie friendly provider and build up a resume. Depedning on how I feel, I will give my website. But aything beyond that is a red flag, and includes the possibility of identity theft.

[Lil Oral Annie]

Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

FUCK SCREENING.

Why don't you lull us all with a false sense of security? ANYTHING can be forged. Websites, check stubs, work verification, and references. Who cares if hookers are safe? Who cares if hookers want to keep themselves safe? Don't let a hooker tell you she has a life, or a reason. Why don't you all just cook up all the fake screening stuff you need in order to see the ones you want?

We're all managed.
We're all thieves.
We're all going to blackmail you.
We're all going to stalk you.
We ALL want kids by you.

All our kids have been taken from us by CPS, we've all been busted so many times our backgrounds are so screwed up we can't get a decent place to stay, and we ride around in our pimp's car all day, looking for tricks, so our lives don't matter. We live to break up happy homes and steal your credit cards, and get as much money from you as we can. So stick with girls that don't mind taking the risk of going to jail.

This goes for the ladies AND the gents:
If you're scared, go to church.

Tiffani, I think I'm in love with you.



Screening is very important. If you wanna see a lady bad enough - jump through the hoops she needs to feel safe and comfortable. If you don't wanna see her bad enough - move on to someone else. If you wanna go where they don't screen, I suggest you hit the streets.

Questioning a provider's screening process is fine (probably should have been asked in private among the guys), but then telling everyone who she was in the public forum wasn't cool in my opinion as some of these guys just put her on their NFW lists (lol). You probably hurt her business. You probably hurt your chances at some providers seeing you now because of this thread. But then you may have not hurt her business, because there are some men out there who understand it takes certain pieces of info for a provider to feel safe and they will still see her because they really want to see her.

She may require different things from different people depending on the situation or person. Maybe she didn't feel right about you, so she needed that to feel safe about seeing you.

On the P411 side, recently I heard of guys using each other's P411 to see ladies. So P411 and references are great, but the provider should still be asking questions to make sure everything matches up. A suggestion by P411 is that a driver's license be shown at the door (with last name and address covered by his fingers or paper and tape) so that the driver's license info matches the P411 ID.

Point being: Ladies, please do what you need to do to feel safe and if you need help with learning how to screen more effectively, there are a lot of seasoned providers out there who will be happy to give you helpful tips.

[Guest082513-02]

ITs kind of a catch 22. I agree with LOA... guys should do what it takes to help a provider assure everyone is safe... and the paystubs are def too much.. and honestly.. stupid. Many LE have 2nd jobs.. duh!

But... then there are ladies who threaten to out guys if they see other ladies... using all their screening info against them.

That causes fear in the guys and makes it harder for those of us who screen.


And u would love her Annie.. Tiffani is pure awesomeness and class

[mtabsw]

I'm sure there are gents here that would produce anything the newest FOM asked for, just for the adrenaline rush of looking for her pimp, wondering if it was a sting, hoping for no bait & switch and dreaming of telling all the boyz "I was first!!!"

Join 411 - see a "newbie friendly" and enjoy a relatively safe play team of over 500 in the DFW area.

Nothing personal to anyone but your personal information should never be shared here - male or female - no matter which side of this biz you're on. Most folks here are hard-working with a sense of ethics among the community but it only takes one shit-zoid to fuck up your life.

[Copierguy0]

Originally Posted by mtabsw

Join 411 - see a "newbie friendly" and enjoy a relatively safe play team of over 500 in the DFW area.

Nothing personal to anyone but your personal information should never be shared here - male or female - no matter which side of this biz you're on. Most folks here are hard-working with a sense of ethics among the community but it only takes one shit-zoid to fuck up your life.

+1 Good Advice

DO NOT SHOW YOUR, paycheck stub, drivers lic. social security number, credit cards, bank accounts, business card with real life info, any personal info, car lic plate or type of car. (park around corner)

SHOW ONLY : P411 Handle, Eccie Handle, OK's, References, and Donation.
(If she wants more than that, move on and post her handle in mens loungue)

Some providers will share your info with other providers, or look out the window and capture your type of car and lic. plate number w/o your knowledge. think about it.

CG

[Tiffani Jameson]

Originally Posted by Copierguy0

+1 Good Advice

DO NOT SHOW YOUR, paycheck stub, drivers lic. social security number, credit cards, bank accounts, business card with real life info, any personal info, car lic plate or type of car. (park around corner)

SHOW ONLY : P411 Handle, Eccie Handle, OK's, References, and Donation.
(If she wants more than that, move on and post her handle in mens loungue)

Some providers will share your info with other providers, or look out the window and capture your type of car and lic. plate number w/o your knowledge. think about it.

CG

This is news to me. What bitches are you seeing?

For the most part, most girls are so jealous of each other they don't like to give references, let alone your information. I want you to know now that our biggest issue is ourselves, not you guys.

[Copierguy0]

Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

This is news to me. What bitches are you seeing?

I am seeing the ones that DON'T ask for paycheck stub, drivers lic. social security number, credit cards, bank accounts, business card with real life info, any personal info, car lic plate or type of car. (park around corner)

Since this is news to you, i'm glad i was able to get you up to date.
IMHO, P411 & References are your best and safest screening tools.

CG

[Tiffani Jameson]

So let's consider a scenario with the OP.

He OBVIOUSLY has no verifiable references, since per his first review he had a bad experience. And HOPEFULLY, had he had some good ones, he would have reviewed them too.

He gets on P411, and now he's got to find a newbie friendly girl, WHICH INVOLVES SCREENING so you know. Newbie friendly should mean that a lady is willing to screen for herself. She asks for too much, so now he backs off.

(Now this sounds like his current situation)
He goes back to Backpage, and finds a lady who is NOT registered on ECCIE, P411 and nowhere else. Now, in this digital age where people are getting all HR information online, she wants to see a check stub to verify against his ID. Seems simple enough, but what do you think of them apples?

What do you think his natural next step is going to be?

A). A verifiable lady who's going to screen him, keep his information safe, and be an AWESOME reference for him later?

B). Another Backpage girl who doesn't require anything to meet so he would have to guess about the experience he's going to have?

What do you think?

[threepeckeredbillygoat]

Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

So let's consider a scenario with the OP.

He OBVIOUSLY has no verifiable references, since per his first review he had a bad experience. And HOPEFULLY, had he had some good ones, he would have reviewed them too.

He gets on P411, and now he's got to find a newbie friendly girl, WHICH INVOLVES SCREENING so you know. Newbie friendly should mean that a lady is willing to screen for herself. She asks for too much, so now he backs off.

(Now this sounds like his current situation)
He goes back to Backpage, and finds a lady who is NOT registered on ECCIE, P411 and nowhere else. Now, in this digital age where people are getting all HR information online, she wants to see a check stub to verify against his ID. Seems simple enough, but what do you think of them apples?

What do you think his natural next step is going to be?

A). A verifiable lady who's going to screen him, keep his information safe, and be an AWESOME reference for him later?

B). Another Backpage girl who doesn't require anything to meet so he would have to guess about the experience he's going to have?

What do you think?

I think NEVER, NEVER, NEVER in a million years give any real life info. Not a check stub, not a dl, not a ss card, not a fuckin nothin with that kind of info on it. I don't care how safe she says she is going to keep my info. Its not gonna happen. I would look for some pussy elsewhere on eccie or p411 or completely go without (which isn't going to happen) before I caved to giving that kind of personal info. You CAN get started in this hobby without letting out real life info or having to resort to bp girls!!! I have seen it happen.

[Copierguy0]

Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

So let's consider a scenario with the OP.

He OBVIOUSLY has no verifiable references, since per his first review he had a bad experience. And HOPEFULLY, had he had some good ones, he would have reviewed them too.

He gets on P411, and now he's got to find a newbie friendly girl, WHICH INVOLVES SCREENING so you know. Newbie friendly should mean that a lady is willing to screen for herself. She asks for too much, so now he backs off.

P411 Screens him also. Newbie friendly will ask for P411, Eccie Handle, a PM from both, an appointment request, an Email, and a phone number. Thats it !!!!!!!!!! (he is a newbie, no OK'S yet and she knows that) after session, if he was on the up & up, she will give him an OK so other providers can see. she don't ask for too much and he don't back off. everyone is happy. there are also girls that ask for 1,2,3,4,or 5 OK'S. these ladies want to call his references, which is the BEST SCREENING TOOL. make a phone call, talk to the last girl he has seen. IMHO, you only need 2 of these to be considered screened.

(Now this sounds like his current situation)
He goes back to Backpage, and finds a lady who is NOT registered on ECCIE, P411 and nowhere else. Now, in this digital age where people are getting all HR information online, she wants to see a check stub to verify against his ID. Seems simple enough, but what do you think of them apples?

I think those apples stink, I don't like BP, they don't have creditable girls there, and most providers won't use BP girls as a reference.

What do you think his natural next step is going to be?

A). A verifiable lady who's going to screen him, keep his information safe, and be an AWESOME reference for him later?

LMAO @ keep his information safe. How do clients know that? Do we ask providers for their personal information to keep safe for them? I thought so.

B). Another Backpage girl who doesn't require anything to meet so he would have to guess about the experience he's going to have?

You know my take on backpage girls.

What do you think?

What do I think, I think your not being realistic and have twisted a few things. Let me explain above. If he has to show any kind of personal information at all, it should only be to the very first provider to get started, thats it. not to every provider he see's.

What do you think?

CG

[Tiffani Jameson]

Originally Posted by threepeckeredbillygoat

I think NEVER, NEVER, NEVER in a million years give any real life info. Not a check stub, not a dl, not a ss card, not a fuckin nothin with that kind of info on it. I don't care how safe she says she is going to keep my info. Its not gonna happen. I would look for some pussy elsewhere on eccie or p411 or completely go without (which isn't going to happen) before I caved to giving that kind of personal info. You CAN get started in this hobby without letting out real life info or having to resort to bp girls!!! I have seen it happen.

Yes, it happens when girls that don't screen become verified providers via a male reference.

All the guys are taking their stances about what they wouldn't give. What do you suggest this newbie do?

Don't be vague.