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Old 07-03-2012, 11:28 AM   #16
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Easy, Give me Liberty or give me death. Patrick Henry is my favorite American patriot.
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Old 07-03-2012, 11:49 AM   #17
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Beautiful, Olivia.

“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!” ― Patrick Henry

I wholeheartedly agree!
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Old 07-03-2012, 12:12 PM   #18
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Freedom is more important than equality or fraternity. For better or worse, America's political system is a two party system. Neither party is a perfect champion for freedom. The sad truth is that I have no choice but to vote Republican or Democrat. Yes, it is a lesser of two evils choice. A vote for the Libertarian party is closer to my belief system. It is also not practical. Unless the Libertarians can gain a plurality in a three way race, voting Libertarian is the equivalent of voting Democrat.

Romney is far from being a true conservative, but as bad as he is, he is significantly better than Obama. Obama is, in my opinion, a dangerous radical, who shares the same belief system as Saul Alinsky and the lunatics in the Occupy movement; he must not be allowed to continue in power.

how does anyone actually KNOW Romney is better than another president ? hes never been a president and in fact was rejected soundly on his last attempt by his peers .

so how do you know, magic wand? crystal ball?

inquiring minds want to know
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Old 07-03-2012, 12:13 PM   #19
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We don't know, CBJ7. But it would be very difficult to be worse than Obama. Let's give Romney a try and see. That only seems fair.
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And this is exactly the problem with America. Now we have to give Romney a try because Obama fucked up. And when Romney fucks up, we'll give another Democrat a chance, and this will continue until there is nothing left of America. As long as we maintain this mentality, no independent will have a chance to beat the single party system.
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Totally agree, but we may not have another chance at all if Obama is re-elected. I hate it, but Romney is the only game in town right now. If Obama even showed a slight hint of being anything other than 100% statist tyrant, we might have a chance. As it is, we can't allow a second term.
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And this is exactly the problem with America. Now we have to give Romney a try because Obama fucked up. And when Romney fucks up, we'll give another Democrat a chance, and this will continue until there is nothing left of America. As long as we maintain this mentality, no independent will have a chance to beat the single party system.


I voted for Perot
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Old 07-03-2012, 12:47 PM   #23
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I'm seriously considering staying home this year. I don't like the options and I refuse to vote for someone just to vote against someone. Good luck to those voting for Romney, he'll give Obama a run for his money. Actually, from all the GOP candidates, in my opinion, Romney was the most electable. The rest were just a carnival show, with the exception of Ron Paul.
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I completely respect your opinion. But don't stay home, get out and vote for Gary Johnson, and help the Libertarian Party gain some respect. Even though I am supporting Romney on here, I still don't plan to vote for him unless Kansas becomes contested. But then, if Kansas becomes contested, the election is lost.

There are also good Libertarian candidates running for local and state offices. I plan to vote for them as well. If we are to have a future, it will be the Libertarian Party.

But I can't argue with your position. It is discouraging.
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We don't know, CBJ7. But it would be very difficult to be worse than Obama. Let's give Romney a try and see. That only seems fair.
You mean even so Romney hasn't moonlighted on his job to write books and telling and unwashed mass of sheeple all we need is hope and change? Really? Doesn't seem logical to me. I thought everyone knew that coming up with catchy slogans like Hope and Change qualified you for president, God, final world on and arbitrator of all that is good and righteous in the world as well as Husband of the Year. Was I wrong? LOL

Shhhhhh, every wait....................here it comes.......................Ok , Doove say it NOW!

I like Romney because I like Hillary. Err, sum'en like dat.
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Old 07-03-2012, 02:23 PM   #26
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Freedom is fundamental. Without freedom nothing else matters. It's worth dying for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr_OpFxCx-A
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I agree with everything, apart from the fact that liberals want a system that guarantees equal outcome. Where do you get that idea from ?

OK, I know there are whacko liberals/socialists, same as whacko right wingers, who for example don't want school sports to have races because that means there are winners and losers.

But didn't that breed of idiots die out in the sixties/seventies ?
No, that breed of idiot did not die out in the sixties and seventies. Unfortunately, they are alive and well. The Occupy bunch is cut from the same cloth as the radicals and anarchists from the sixties and sevenites. Obama and Pelosi are on record saying that they support the Occupiers. Obama may see them as useful idiots, but he does share their radical views.

Bill Ayers was one of those idiots from the sixties and seventies. He is a friend of Obama's. Ayers says that he does not regret any of his radical actions, and only regrets that he did not do more.
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Shhhhhh, every wait....................here it comes.......................Ok , Doove say it NOW!
Say what, Olivia? That you're a broken record? That the bitter nonsense you spout today means the same thing it did when you spouted the same bitter nonsense 2 years ago?
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Doofie doesn't like liberty or equality. He only wants people to be free to agree with him, which would be easier if we could ever tell what the hell he is talking about.
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if Paul isnt on the ballot Im writing his ass in for 2 reasons

the war in the mid east

and Im really curious to see if he can pull off a gold standard

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