A letter to the providers....

[KlassyKelliAnn]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

I don't know about atl, but I was talking about conflicting information that the same lady posts on different sites. It is mostly fees and outcall/incall information.

Charles: I do see what you are saying here now. I can understand how this conflict of info on different sites would make it difficult. I think it is good to have one specific place with all the info included and for a provider to state to the gent to read that spot that will have ALL the info he will need in order to make the appointment.

It has been my experience ( from what I have personally noticed and admit to doing) that many providers advertise on certain different sites and they are targeting certain people in doing so. So for Eccie- maybe a provider will extend a discount/special/whatever to only ECCIE members and thus her ad is for those members. But she may also post an ad on P411 with a different discount for those members, etc... now for you, you may feel like not going to all the sites she advertises on to get the best rate, etc, or whatever the reason, so I think the best thing, IMO and what I would rather have happen, is for the gent to PM me with all his proper info/screening etc and let me know what sites he is a member of so that I can offer him the best of the best of what I may have advertised on the site we are both a member of. I wonder if this would be more effective, easy and helpful if it were done this way? What do you think? I had a hard time trying to explain this, I hope you can understand what I meant, LOL. I am a little tired too.

Kelli Ann Preston

PS: Dont know if anyone else noticed: but it REALLY is great to have a nice and informative discussion such as this without any disrespect or hateful spewing. Thanks to all.

KKA

[Mokoa]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

It is mind-boggling the variations that can exist at these different places. To say that it's easy is an affront.

Where in my post did I state it was easy? Please point it out to me. What? you cannot? Of course not, because I never stated that!

Now that is an affront!

Asserting I posted something that I obviously did not will not help your credibility here.

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

In addition to the above, the provider may post on this or another and say things that are misleading about what they may or may not offer. Just as reviews may be far removed from reality.

As atl says, scanning all this thoroughly can take a lot of time. And just as time is important to the providers, it is important to us, too. After all, time is money.

What? Are you kidding me?

What is the matter? Too much homework for you?

Unbelievable!

With all due respect...

How lazy and irresponsible can you be?

[Likinikki]

Why would you go anywhere else than the current ad that's on the site you're registered on? And, even if she hasn't posted an ad...I'm sure you can always contact her by pm and state your case, and request where you should go for her current donation. Is it me, or are you fellas just making things difficult on yourself?

[npita]

I'm not sure I understand the problem. If a potential client does not think a provider's information is not organized to his satisfaction, he should see someone else. If a provider thinks a potential client hasn't spent enough time looking for information, she should not see him. If everyone did that, problems would be self-correcting.

Originally Posted by Mokoa:
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Originally Posted by charlestudor2005
It is mind-boggling the variations that can exist at these different places. To say that it's easy is an affront.

Where in my post did I state it was easy?

Although you did not say [research] is easy, I'll say it should be easy. If it is not easy and/or information posted in different places is inconsitent and a provider does not want to proivide or clarify things via a pm. email, phone call, pony express telegram, whatever, then misunderstandings are going to occur. If providers see clueless clients, the same thing will happen. However, I don't think Atl was talking about clueless clients nor providers who make accurate information reasonable easy to find.

[darter]

Originally Posted by lisa.lisa0302

Hmmm, i don't have any of those issues you have just mentioned, Yah for me....

However i do send a thank pm to my gents........Although it is communication after the sessions, they seem to appreciate it....was i wrong?

Thanks for you positive intro, it was appreciated

Sincerely Lisa

Originally Posted by ccsimone

I am basically new to the business and I think this is really good to know for someone especially like me. So far I am doing a good job after reading this reminder. The only thing though like one lady said is I have contacted someone after we spent time together and said thanks and how I enjoyed their time and I appreciate them for deciding to see me.

So is that wrong? It would seem like most of you guys would not mind anything like that. And I was actually wondering lets say a long time goes by and I just send a simple hello, how are you email to a someone, is that a bad thing??

Since these two ladies questions have not yet been answered, I thought I would give my .02

I don't think there is anything wrong at all with sending a "thank you PM", in fact I think it shows a lot of thoughtfulness. As far as a simple hello goes I would not think that would be a problem as long as it was through a PM or "secure" E-mail.

I think what alt was talking about was unsolicited phone calls during slow times from a lady they have seen in the past, but have not contacted since. This doesn't bother me, since I am the only one with access to my phone, but I can see how it would bother someone in a different situation.

I read a post a while back ( in alerts maybe?) about a guy getting upset about a lady calling him at work. That could be pretty unsettling, but why would she have that number anyway? In other words, don't give out contact info that could compromise either persons safety.

That's it, back to the pissing contest about research and such.

[Mokoa]

Originally Posted by npita

Although you did not say [research] is easy, I'll say it should be easy. If it is not easy and/or information posted in different places is inconsitent and a provider does not want to proivide or clarify things via a pm. email, phone call, pony express telegram, whatever, then misunderstandings are going to occur. If providers see clueless clients, the same thing will happen. However, I don't think Atl was talking about clueless clients nor providers who make accurate information reasonable easy to find.

Of course easier is better, but that is not always the case and that does not absolve the guy's responsibility to do the necessary research so he can be informed. For them to simply state that they do not have the time is negligent. It is a lame excuse. Perhaps they should just stick with their favorites or regulars if the research is too much of a burden for them.

[npita]

Originally Posted by Mokoa

Of course easier is better, but that is not always the case and that does not absolve the guy's responsibility to do the necessary research so he can be informed. For them to simply state that they do not have the time is negligent. It is a lame excuse.

No, it's not a lame excuse. It's a reason to see someone who makes it easier to find the information that clients want in reasonable amount of time. It's also the way business works.

Perhaps they should just stick with their favorites or regulars if the research is too much of a burden for them.

I'm sure they already do that, but I think Atl's point was addressing providers who want clients, but make it more than difficult than necessary for clients to find accurate information and schedule with them.

When I was hobbying. I sent pm's to providers on several ocassions asking for a 3 hour rate to which the reply was something like, ``See my website, babe.'' However, since I had already seen their website and noticed that there was no 3 hour rate, I didn't bother contacting those providers again. Even if I hadn't looked at their websites and they had their 3 hour rates posted all over the internet, do you think it's smart to say, ``See my website, babe,'' when it would take no more effort to just quote me the 3 hour rate so I could schedule?

[Chevalier]

Originally Posted by Mokoa

Of course easier is better, but that is not always the case and that does not absolve the guy's responsibility to do the necessary research so he can be informed. For them to simply state that they do not have the time is negligent. It is a lame excuse. Perhaps they should just stick with their favorites or regulars if the research is too much of a burden for them.

I suspect you're misinterpreting what atl and npita wrote. Either that, or I disagree with you too. It depends on what he does after concluding, in those rare instances, that it's too hard to find the necessary information. Perhaps that's where there's a disconnect.

I would modify your statement to reflect "the guy's responsibility to do the necessary research so he can be informed if he is going to contact the lady to schedule an appointment." To decide that it will take more research time than he wants to spend is "negligent" only if he tries to see her without knowing what he should know. That causes problems. But if he gets frustrated and moves on to the next lady, without publicly bashing the first lady by name or sending a complaining email, where's the harm?

That's what I would agree to, and I suspect you would as well. I suspect that's what atl had in mind too. I saw no implication from his post that he would try to see the lady without the necessary research, only that he might grow frustrated when it was hard to track down, and move on to someone else. He also implied that this was not a problem in the vast majority of cases, which suggests a willingness to put a reasonable amount of effort into it.

[atlcomedy]

Apologies for not answering/clarifying/responding earlier

Originally Posted by darter

Since these two ladies questions have not yet been answered, I thought I would give my .02

I don't think there is anything wrong at all with sending a "thank you PM", in fact I think it shows a lot of thoughtfulness. As far as a simple hello goes I would not think that would be a problem as long as it was through a PM or "secure" E-mail.

I think what alt was talking about was unsolicited phone calls during slow times from a lady they have seen in the past, but have not contacted since.

Right on. A simple PM (which by definition is a secure communication/the SO can't stumble across) is fine, even a nice touch right after the date.

The calls/emails I consider unacceptable are unsolicited well after the date

Originally Posted by npita

No, it's not a lame excuse. It's a reason to see someone who makes it easier to find the information that clients want in reasonable amount of time. It's also the way business works.

I'm sure they already do that, but I think Atl's point was addressing providers who want clients, but make it more than difficult than necessary for clients to find accurate information and schedule with them.

When I was hobbying. I sent pm's to providers on several ocassions asking for a 3 hour rate to which the reply was something like, ``See my website, babe.'' ........?

Yes & there is a matter a attitude. See my 2nd post in this thread. This is a business that involves customer service (&I'm not talking about BCD). Even if I ask a stupid question, humor me and answer it
in a a helpful, friendly way. If I get a response like "See my website babe" I'm moving on....

Again, if your calendar is so full you can afford to behave like that, more power to you....

Originally Posted by Chevalier

But if he gets frustrated and moves on to the next lady, without publicly bashing the first lady by name or sending a complaining email, where's the harm?

That's what I would agree to, and I suspect you would as well. I suspect that's what atl had in mind too. I saw no implication from his post that he would try to see the lady without the necessary research, only that he might grow frustrated when it was hard to track down, and move on to someone else. He also implied that this was not a problem in the vast majority of cases, which suggests a willingness to put a reasonable amount of effort into it.

Right...I don't get bitter or hostile or send nasty notes...I just move on if someone, for whatever reason, makes things too difficult. Afterall there are plenty of providers that make things real simple...

In closing, the intent of this thread was to be constructive (just as the open letter from providers was). Most insatisfied (potential) customers don't give actionable feedback. Hopefully folks can internalize their own practices and if need be benefit from it.

Maybe the gal whose pat response is, "Read my website, babe," thinks differently about why she never hears back from those guys...

[MsElena]

OK, let me ask this question. Guys need answer only.

Say "John Doe" contacts me through email. Asks me what my rates are and if I do massages. Now, I don't know about other providers, but I do not discuss my rates nor what happens during a session with anyone, except my repeat clientele.

Would it be OK to send an email back or PM back saying the following: "Thank you for your interest in me, but I do not discuss my sessions nor my rates. If you would please visit my website for all pertinent information."

I ask because there seems to be some debate on how a lady should respond to a PM or email.

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by KlassyKelliAnn

PS: Dont know if anyone else noticed: but it REALLY is great to have a nice and informative discussion such as this without any disrespect or hateful spewing. Thanks to all.

KKA

Yes, I noticed. I hope it is a reaction to the respectful and thoughtful letter posted by the Providers (THE LETTER), in addition to atl's respectful and thoughtful start to this thread.

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by MsElena

Say "John Doe" contacts me through email. Asks me what my rates are and if I do massages. Now, I don't know about other providers, but I do not discuss my rates nor what happens during a session with anyone, except my repeat clientele.

Would it be OK to send an email back or PM back saying the following: "Thank you for your interest in me, but I do not discuss my sessions nor my rates. If you would please visit my website for all pertinent information."

I have never had a lady answer these questions in writing before.

If I do send the questions via PM or whatever, the standard response is no response at all. So, I would say that asking that kind of question is pretty much a waste of time.

With all due respects to the ladies on this Board (and elsewhere), I have several rules:

• I only do outcalls
• I have certain price points I don't violate
• I always look for a certain description of activities a lady enjoys

If I can't determine these items from you various postings on a website, in ads, on ECCIE or P411, I move on. I do not spend additional time trying to figure it out.

Of course, if it's cheaper to book through P411 than ECCIE, that is what I'll do. But one thing really scares me. If I book through P411 (because it is cheaper), but you are expecting the ECCIE donation, then I'm afraid you will tell the other ladies that I shorted you, and impair my ability to see other fine ladies.

[Likinikki]

When I was hobbying. I sent pm's to providers on several ocassions asking for a 3 hour rate to which the reply was something like, ``See my website, babe.'' However, since I had already seen their website and noticed that there was no 3 hour rate, I didn't bother contacting those providers again. Even if I hadn't looked at their websites and they had their 3 hour rates posted all over the internet, do you think it's smart to say, ``See my website, babe,'' when it would take no more effort to just quote me the 3 hour rate so I could schedule?

This does seem like a very dismissing attitude. She could have taken a few extra seconds to write a polite answer. My advice is to make sure you get screened FIRST before asking any rate information...outside of what is listed on a website or ad. This way, the provider may feel more secure of answering donation related questions.

[npita]

Originally Posted by MsElena

Say "John Doe" contacts me through email. Asks me what my rates are and if I do massages. Now, I don't know about other providers, but I do not discuss my rates nor what happens during a session with anyone, except my repeat clientele.

Would it be OK to send an email back or PM back saying the following: "Thank you for your interest in me, but I do not discuss my sessions nor my rates. If you would please visit my website for all pertinent information."

I ask because there seems to be some debate on how a lady should respond to a PM or email.

I'm not sure why there is a debate. If you're worried about legal issues, I don't see how referring someone to your website would be any better than aswering directly. That being said, John Doe should not ask about rates AND services, so you shouldn't reply at all. However if someone asks what your rate is for three hours of your time, I don't see why you woudn't just quote your rate for three hours of your time.

[atlcomedy]

Originally Posted by MsElena

OK, let me ask this question. Guys need answer only.

Say "John Doe" contacts me through email. Asks me what my rates are and if I do massages. Now, I don't know about other providers, but I do not discuss my rates nor what happens during a session with anyone, except my repeat clientele.

Would it be OK to send an email back or PM back saying the following: "Thank you for your interest in me, but I do not discuss my sessions nor my rates. If you would please visit my website for all pertinent information."

I ask because there seems to be some debate on how a lady should respond to a PM or email.

I would prefer:

Hi John, great to hear from you. Thanks for the kind words about my new photos [or whatever...point is it a personalized response not a form letter]. I'm very excited about them too.

I think all of the answers to the questions you have raised are here: w ww.misselena.com/information [a link to the page on your site that has all the information I need, don't make me search your entire site]. If you still have questions, let me know.

But even better would be:

Thanks John. Yes you are correct. It is $xxx for a two hour session. Since it is a multihour session I'll waive my customary travel/outcall fee. Sorry about the confusion with the different rates. I raised my rates a year ago but it seems some of the old ads are still out there. As for the rest of your questions, can I ask you to go to my site for all of the most up to date information. w ww.misselena.com/information [a link to the page on your site that has all the information I need, don't make me search your entire site -- in this case you are actually answering his question about rates but not discussing services in the same place]

But back to your original question -- what would I do if you sent the response you suggested. Answer: I don't know. It would depend on how bad I wanted to see you and what my other options were. If there is a single message to be sent in this thread, it is this is a business & a competitive one at that. What you can get away with varies greatly depending on what our other options are.