Southern Poverty Law Center Indicted

[Lantern2814]

Originally Posted by fd-guy

Worth getting the facts straight before declaring victory.

The Biden DOJ didn't close the investigation because "the fraud was so obvious." Acting AG Todd Blanche himself confirmed prosecutors reviewed it and decided not to bring charges. That's not a cover-up — that's literally how prosecutorial discretion works. Source: CNN

What the indictment actually alleges is that the SPLC paid confidential informants inside white supremacist groups — the KKK, Aryan Nation, National Alliance — to gather intelligence, and didn't disclose those payments to donors or banks. A tactic that, as Case Western Reserve law professor Cassandra Burke Robertson points out, "federal law enforcement does as a matter of course."

Legal experts are considerably less impressed than you are. Columbia Law professor John C. Coffee Jr. called it "very thin" and said it "does not adequately allege any violation of the mail or wire fraud statutes." Robertson said she'd be "absolutely shocked if it went all the way to a conviction." Source: Alabama Reflector

An indictment is a charge, not a conviction. This one was brought by Kash Patel's FBI and Todd Blanche's DOJ — neither of whom are disinterested parties when it comes to an organisation that spent decades mapping far-right extremism.

But sure — the organisation that spent 50 years tracking the KKK is the real threat.

Maybe take your own advice. Or maybe you or txdot better come up with some actual proof that these things (that have been shown to have happened) didn't happen. Just more fraud that the lefties here are all in favor of. But sure, the people exposing the fraud are the villains according to you people.

[Lantern2814]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

First of all I don’t have to disprove anything. It’s the job of the prosecutor to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that fraud was committed.

Secondly I read the linked article and another article on Fox that reported on this story. Nothing printed in the news was enough to convince me that the use of informants nor the 3 million spent over a decade was used to promote racist groups. Especially for an organization with total assets of more than $822 million at the end of 2024

Thirdly, The indictment appears to fit within the Trump administration’s pattern of using the Justice Department to punish its political adversaries

This lawsuit certainly seems to just be the latest salvo in the conservative movement’s battle with the SPLC. Except this time it’s the Justice department and the FBI being used for political retribution.

From the Times:

A whole lot of blather to admit you have nothing. Except your usual whining about "Trump weaponizing the DOJ". Ignore the wrongdoing just to cry about people actually trying to stop fraud. Here's a hint. You lefties don't look good doing this.

[fd-guy]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

Maybe take your own advice. Or maybe you or txdot better come up with some actual proof that these things (that have been shown to have happened) didn't happen. Just more fraud that the lefties here are all in favor of. But sure, the people exposing the fraud are the villains according to you people.

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

A whole lot of blather to admit you have nothing. Except your usual whining about "Trump weaponizing the DOJ". Ignore the wrongdoing just to cry about people actually trying to stop fraud. Here's a hint. You lefties don't look good doing this.

Classic dodge: wave away solid sources like CNN and the Alabama Reflector, plus quotes from Columbia and Case Western law profs calling the case "very thin" and predicting no conviction. No rebuttals, no counter-facts—just "fraud" on loop, like chanting it'll make it true.
Indictment's just an accusation, not guilt. Cooked by Patel's FBI and Blanche's DOJ, both with axes to grind against outfits tracking far-right nuts for decades. "Lefties" as your mic drop? Weak. Sources win; repetition loses.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by fd-guy

Classic dodge: wave away solid sources like CNN and the Alabama Reflector, plus quotes from Columbia and Case Western law profs calling the case "very thin" and predicting no conviction. No rebuttals, no counter-facts—just "fraud" on loop, like chanting it'll make it true.
Indictment's just an accusation, not guilt. Cooked by Patel's FBI and Blanche's DOJ, both with axes to grind against outfits tracking far-right nuts for decades. "Lefties" as your mic drop? Weak. Sources win; repetition loses.

I’m going to reiterate: This indictment has no basis in fact or reality. It truly sounds like a drunken right wing masturbatory fantasy. It appears to me that the FBI and the Justice department is manufacturing a case against the SPLC to justify their own jobs to the President who wants them to persecute his political enemies.

[pxmcc]

i got 1g that says none of these charges listed in the indictment will result in a conviction.

if i lose, as a non-practicing attorney, i will have egg on my face but i'll pay up. if i win, i will collect my winnings.

this is the most incompetent and corrupt DOJ in the history of this country. if Obama did any of this shit Trump is pulling, Faux News would be calling for his head on a platter.

after the Dems win the House, the investigations they will undertake will literally blow your mind.

there's a reason non-partisan historians rank Trump dead last. he earned that spot.

[ICU 812]

Without sarcasm I say . . .Good for you.

Few here are willing to "put up or shut up" as the saying goes.

How/where did you place that bet?

[pxmcc]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

Without sarcasm I say . . .Good for you.

Few here are willing to "put up or shut up" as the saying goes.

How/where did you place that bet?

i still need a taker..

[rooster]

Originally Posted by lustylad

...I'm trying not to pre-judge until I hear some testimony in the case....

Thank heavens fer that! Finally, someone willing to be completely objective about this!

Oh....wait....

Originally Posted by lustylad

What a clever scam!

Donate to the SPLC so we can give the money to failing, near-extinct right-wing hate groups like the KKK. The more we prop them up, the more we can portray them as actual threats in our fund-raising letters! It's a circular scam...

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[ICU 812]

What about that political betting site online?

[pxmcc]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

What about that political betting site online?

you have a link?

[Lantern2814]

Originally Posted by fd-guy

Classic dodge: wave away solid sources like CNN and the Alabama Reflector, plus quotes from Columbia and Case Western law profs calling the case "very thin" and predicting no conviction. No rebuttals, no counter-facts—just "fraud" on loop, like chanting it'll make it true.
Indictment's just an accusation, not guilt. Cooked by Patel's FBI and Blanche's DOJ, both with axes to grind against outfits tracking far-right nuts for decades. "Lefties" as your mic drop? Weak. Sources win; repetition loses.

Thus, by your own words, you lose again. As soon as you claim CNN as a "solid source", it can be dismissed. Quotes from "experts" who have seen nothing of the evidence. And still you can't refute the proven payments. No rebuttal, just "CNN says" and crying "nuh-uh!". Cooked up? Hardly. Fraud ignored and encouraged by the left? Absolutely. As they continue to demonize those who expose it. Your own words expose you again. Tracking "far right nuts". The KKK was and is a Democrat thing. Oops

[pxmcc]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

Thus, by your own words, you lose again. As soon as you claim CNN as a "solid source", it can be dismissed. Quotes from "experts" who have seen nothing of the evidence. And still you can't refute the proven payments. No rebuttal, just "CNN says" and crying "nuh-uh!". Cooked up? Hardly. Fraud ignored and encouraged by the left? Absolutely. As they continue to demonize those who expose it. Your own words expose you again. Tracking "far right nuts". The KKK was and is a Democrat thing. Oops

Lantern, read this post by a senior level former prosecutor. the feds literally have no case.

https://www.justsecurity.org/137171/...w-center-splc/

[fd-guy]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

Thus, by your own words, you lose again. As soon as you claim CNN as a "solid source", it can be dismissed. Quotes from "experts" who have seen nothing of the evidence. And still you can't refute the proven payments. No rebuttal, just "CNN says" and crying "nuh-uh!". Cooked up? Hardly. Fraud ignored and encouraged by the left? Absolutely. As they continue to demonize those who expose it. Your own words expose you again. Tracking "far right nuts". The KKK was and is a Democrat thing. Oops

I almost feel like I shouldn't waste time on someone who's clearly not well read.

"CNN isn't a good source" — together with "law professors don't count" and any other source that contradicts the predetermined conclusion. Evidence is valid only when it supports your side. Understood.

"You lose." Announced triumphantly without a single counter-fact. Not an argument. A participation trophy.

The KKK was founded by Confederate veterans who were, at the time, Democrats. Yes. Here's what goes unmentioned: Richard Nixon's own strategists documented the Southern Strategy in writing — a deliberate plan to absorb racially resentful white Southerners who abandoned the Democrats after the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Counties with active KKK chapters in the 1960s showed a lasting shift toward Republican voting across five consecutive presidential elections. The Klan's political heirs followed the Southern Strategy straight into the Republican Party.

It's taught in undergraduate history courses. Available to anyone who reads past the headline.

The "Oops" belongs to whoever's still rehashing a talking point that collapses the moment someone opens a book.

[pxmcc]

^^well said sir..

[Lantern2814]

Originally Posted by fd-guy

I almost feel like I shouldn't waste time on someone who's clearly not well read.

"CNN isn't a good source" — together with "law professors don't count" and any other source that contradicts the predetermined conclusion. Evidence is valid only when it supports your side. Understood.

"You lose." Announced triumphantly without a single counter-fact. Not an argument. A participation trophy.

The KKK was founded by Confederate veterans who were, at the time, Democrats. Yes. Here's what goes unmentioned: Richard Nixon's own strategists documented the Southern Strategy in writing — a deliberate plan to absorb racially resentful white Southerners who abandoned the Democrats after the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Counties with active KKK chapters in the 1960s showed a lasting shift toward Republican voting across five consecutive presidential elections. The Klan's political heirs followed the Southern Strategy straight into the Republican Party.

It's taught in undergraduate history courses. Available to anyone who reads past the headline.

The "Oops" belongs to whoever's still rehashing a talking point that collapses the moment someone opens a book.

I shouldn't waste time on you partisan hacks who are ignorant of reality and don't read. CNN is a left leaning Anti-Trump network. Hence their OPINION is slanted and YOU are guilty of confirmation bias. Yes you do lose, as you STILL have not offered one shred of evidence to counter the documents and payments shown to have been made. Left leaning "experts" are all you go to. As usual. Just to embarrass you further, perhaps you lefties should open a book. It wasn't the RNC that got known as the Klanbake one year. That pathetic, debunked lie of "the parties switched" and "the racists are Republicans" falls apart under any scrutiny of UNBIASED sources. The left embarrassing themselves again by going after people trying to eliminate fraud that costs US taxpayers a LOT of money.