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[69in2it69]

Just more trolling, standard playbook for the maggies when facts fail them. Which is basically constantly.

[Lantern2814]

Not trolling. Reality. So you claim that power plants and bridges and the like were not targeted during World War 2 and essentially every combat since then? President Trump is not "targeting civilians" despite the ridiculous claims here. Funny how the actual war crimes (using human shields and such) committed by our enemies are never brought up. Just the USA and Israel.

[69in2it69]

https://www.justsecurity.org/135423/...-law-iran-war/


https://www.theguardian.com/law/2026...mit-war-crimes


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy91x2n29nlo


It's amazing how some can claim that threats to "eliminate the entire civilization" would not be targeting civilians...

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

Not trolling. Reality. So you claim that power plants and bridges and the like were not targeted during World War 2 and essentially every combat since then? President Trump is not "targeting civilians" despite the ridiculous claims here. Funny how the actual war crimes (using human shields and such) committed by our enemies are never brought up. Just the USA and Israel.

The United States and its allies participated in a number of war crimes during World War 2. The biggest one that I recall is the firebombing of Tokyo.

Most actions that occur during war time can be classified as crimes just depending upon who wins and writes the history books.

In this particular case the current conflict was started by the US and Israel. If we were to destroy civilian infrastructure that took out water desalination plants that caused mass migration and deaths due to dehydration, that would be classified as a war crime.

I’m not sure how you could disagree with that assessment.

[royamcr]

In 1945, there was no specific international treaty explicitly prohibiting the aerial bombardment of civilians in the same way as land or naval warfare. Allied leaders justified the raids by noting that Japanese industry was dispersed among residential neighborhoods.

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

The United States and its allies participated in a number of war crimes during World War 2. The biggest one that I recall is the firebombing of Tokyo.

Most actions that occur during war time can be classified as crimes just depending upon who wins and writes the history books.

In this particular case the current conflict was started by the US and Israel. If we were to destroy civilian infrastructure that took out water desalination plants that caused mass migration and deaths due to dehydration, that would be classified as a war crime.

I’m not sure how you could disagree with that assessment.

[pxmcc]

today Hiroshima and Nagasaki would qualify as war crimes. the arc of history bends towards justice.

today, war criminals include Hamas, Putin, and Netanyahu/Israel. no need to add the U.S. to that list.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by royamcr

In 1945, there was no specific international treaty explicitly prohibiting the aerial bombardment of civilians in the same way as land or naval warfare. Allied leaders justified the raids by noting that Japanese industry was dispersed among residential neighborhoods.

So if we firebombed Tehran today it would be a war crime but not during World War 2 simply because it wasn’t classified that way. That’s a bit of moral relativism for you.

pxmcc is right. No need to add the US to the list of war criminals.


P.S. The strikes conducted by the USAAF on the night of 9–10 March 1945, codenamed Operation Meetinghouse, constitute the single most destructive aerial bombing raid in human history. Sixteen square miles (41 km2; 10,000 acres) of central Tokyo was destroyed, leaving an estimated 100,000 civilians dead and over one million homeless.

[royamcr]

Originally Posted by pxmcc

today Hiroshima and Nagasaki would qualify as war crimes. the arc of history bends towards justice.

today, war criminals include Hamas, Putin, and Netanyahu/Israel. no need to add the U.S. to that list.

In WW2 that was considered saving lives avoiding having to invade Japan mainlands. Lives on both sides, but possibly millions on the Japanese side.

[txdot-guy]

This is my last post on the subject of War Crimes because we’ve strayed from the original topic.

I would recommend reading about the firebombing of Japan here.

https://pophistorydig.com/topics/tag...e-firebombing/

I would also recommend the Documentary “The Fog of War”. A 2003 academy award winning documentary film on Robert McNamara. Many people don’t know of McNamara’s involvement in the Pacific theater during WW2 specifically advising General Curtis Lemay on the most effective way to utilize the B-29 to incinerate Japanese cities and Japanese civilians.

What one can criticize is that the human race prior to that time — and today — has not really grappled with what are, I’ll call it, “the rules of war.” Was there a rule then that said you shouldn’t bomb, shouldn’t kill, shouldn’t burn to death 100,000 civilians in one night?

LeMay said, “If we’d lost the war, we’d all have been prosecuted as war criminals.” And I think he’s right. He, and I’d say I, were behaving as war criminals. LeMay recognized that what he was doing would be thought immoral if his side had lost. But what makes it immoral if you lose and not immoral if you win?

[1blackman1]

Dresden as well

[offshoredrilling]

where is the " F-15 down " thread" ????