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[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Knocking out Iran's nuke and missile programs isn't suicidal. But letting them develop and advance willy-nilly is.

Which they were only able to do because of Trump in the first place

[Lantern2814]

No, it was because of Obama and his utter desperation to do something (anything) resembling a foreign policy. He allowed Iran to get as far as they did. And now Trump has to clean up another Democrat mess.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Which they were only able to do because of Trump in the first place

Hey man, it's adav8's job to defend Obama's misbegotten 2016 JCPOA, not yours. Please stay in your lane.

I don't even bother to correct adav8 anymore over details such as number of centrifuges, uranium enrichment percentages, laughable IAEA inspection rules, etc.

I'll just say here that the JCPOA imposed ZERO restraints on Iranian missile production or its support of terrorist proxies in Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, Yemen, etc. Both problems escalated greatly as soon as the ink was dry on Obama's foreign policy "achievement".

And let's not forget how Obama's JCPOA wound up unfreezing over $100 billion in assets, a huge pile of cash which the mullahs immediately put to use for nefarious purposes throughout the Middle East. You can even make the case that Obama's JCPOA helped to finance Hamas' horrific Oct. 7, 2023 attack on Israel, where 1200 Jewish citizens were butchered.

Elsewhere in this thread, royamcr tried to justify the obscene transfer of pallets of cash to Tehran by saying it was their money. I don't give a fuck who the money originally belonged to, if anyone was naive enough to think our releasing it would curb the mullahs' bad behavior, they had to be dumber than a bag of rocks. History has proven just how dumb Obama, John Kerry and Ben Rhodes were.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by royamcr

Even mentioning returning 1.7 billion to Iran is the pinnacle of stupidity. It was their money and interest was mounting. It sounds like a lot of money but it isn't.

Uh-huh. You do know that between $300 billion and $350 billion in Russian Central Bank assets have been frozen by Western institutions since Putin's Feb. 2022 invasion of Ukraine?

In addition, interest generated on those immobilized assets is being transferred to Ukraine.

Are you cool with that, royamcr? Or should we release all that money to Putin (it's their money, right?) if he promises to start behaving himself?

[Yssup Rider]

And Congress???

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Knocking out Iran's nuke and missile programs isn't suicidal. But letting them develop and advance willy-nilly is.


"President Trump on Wednesday made the case for going to war with Iran that he should have made at the outset, but it was still essential for Americans to hear it. The most important message we heard is that he’s not ending the war until the job is done, and Iran’s leaders would be wise to act accordingly.

The strongest argument for bombing Iran is to deny the radical regime a nuclear weapon, and Mr. Trump made the case with vigor. You can nitpick that he exaggerated the immediacy of when Iran would have a bomb or have missiles capable of hitting America. But only a naif would believe the ayatollahs weren’t set on both. Someone had to stop them, and Mr. Trump acted when other Presidents and world leaders would not."

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/donald-t...-nato-07b5e420

So now you resort to conflation. Very sad smart MAGA.

The point was that Trump put Iran in the position to enrich Uranian by pulling out of the deal. The enriched uranium Iran has today is Trump’s doing.

[lustylad]

The point was the ayatollahs were set on both (missile program and nukes) regardless of the JCPOA. It mainly lifted the sanctions and turned the revenue spigot back on to finance their rogue terrorist schemes. Pulling out of the JCPOA in 2018 let us resume a "maximum pressure" campaign and stop turning a blind eye whenever they misbehaved.

How many times do you have to be lied to/cheated on before you conclude you can't make a deal with congenital liars & cheaters and you refuse to be played anymore?

[pxmcc]

and that "maximum pressure" campaign got us what exactly? oh ya, that's right-60% enriched uranium-just a hop skip and a jump from weapons-grade 90% enriched uranium..

and that's exactly one of Trump's justifications for this silly war.

the Obama deal was a win win for both parties. Trump pulled out not because it was a bad deal but b/c he's jealous af of Obama, a black man who is also the smartest guy in the room..

Originally Posted by lustylad

The point was the ayatollahs were set on both (missile program and nukes) regardless of the JCPOA. It mainly lifted the sanctions and turned the revenue spigot back on to finance their rogue terrorist schemes. Pulling out of the JCPOA in 2018 let us resume a "maximum pressure" campaign and stop turning a blind eye whenever they misbehaved.

How many times do you have to be lied to/cheated on before you conclude you can't make a deal with congenital liars & cheaters and you refuse to be played anymore?

[offshoredrilling]

Originally Posted by pxmcc

and that "maximum pressure" campaign got us what exactly? oh ya, that's right-60% enriched uranium-just a hop skip and a jump from weapons-grade 90% enriched uranium..

and that's exactly one of Trump's justifications for this silly war.

the Obama deal was a win win for both parties. Trump pulled out b/c he's jealous af of Obama, the smartest guy in the room..

[pxmcc]

ya, just no..

Iran under Obama: 3.67% enrichment..

Iran under Trump: 60% enrichment..

the facts speak for themselves.

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

No, it was because of Obama and his utter desperation to do something (anything) resembling a foreign policy. He allowed Iran to get as far as they did. And now Trump has to clean up another Democrat mess.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

...If that goes over your head, let me know, I’ll try to be more direct next time.

The OP seems to be a worthy topic to discuss - IMMHO.
Or just walk on by...
Let's not get the stall door kicked in with one of these:

Originally Posted by biomed1

Debate the Topic - DO NOT berate the other Members.

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by lustylad

The point was the ayatollahs were set on both (missile program and nukes) regardless of the JCPOA. It mainly lifted the sanctions and turned the revenue spigot back on to finance their rogue terrorist schemes. Pulling out of the JCPOA in 2018 let us resume a "maximum pressure" campaign and stop turning a blind eye whenever they misbehaved.

How many times do you have to be lied to/cheated on before you conclude you can't make a deal with congenital liars & cheaters and you refuse to be played anymore?

That’s pretty dumb, so much so it’s hard to respond. The result of Trump’s action have us in a war to stop something that by all measures was stopped before Trump ending the tool that had Iran functionally and practically stopped from what we’re at war to stop.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

...I still haven’t seen anyone actually tell the public what our objectives are and I find that extremely troubling.

Well... It's a bit of a heady list, in no particular order:

• Break the BRICS
• Keep our homeland safe for generations
• Keep oil transacting on Petrodollars vs Yuan
• Expose NATO for the paper tiger and waste it is
• Give Iran back to be governed by the Iranian people
• Stomp down the funding of multiple terrorist entities
• Drive a wedge between the Chyyyna/Russia partnership
• Keep a global supply chain humming without threats and extortion
• Hammer the snot out of whole NWO/UN hegemony and control over our sovereignty
• Maybe a couple other things

Now you can rest easy, I hope.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Well... It's a bit of a heady list, in no particular order:

• Break the BRICS
• Keep our homeland safe for generations
• Keep oil transacting on Petrodollars vs Yuan
• Expose NATO for the paper tiger and waste it is
• Give Iran back to be governed by the Iranian people
• Stomp down the funding of multiple terrorist entities
• Drive a wedge between the Chyyyna/Russia partnership
• Keep a global supply chain humming without threats and extortion
• Hammer the snot out of whole NWO/UN hegemony and control over our sovereignty
• Maybe a couple other things

Now you can rest easy, I hope.

Sounds like speculation or possibly a wish list. Unless a representative of the federal government, hopefully the Press Secretary or the President himself, gives out an official statement then what’s the point.

The American people still don’t understand what in the hell we’re doing in Iran and why we’re doing it. The only military objective that the administration is willing to admit to is to reopen the Strait of Hormuz. And that’s just a response to our current attack against Iran.

What are the objectives in this campaign? What justification was used to get us here? How are we going to pay for it? etc etc.

Why do I have to ask these questions on an anonymous internet forum rather than getting answers from the actual government?

[VitaMan]

posts seem to be a long way from "this guy talking about....you"