Another quagmire in the Middle East…..

[69in2it69]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

What actions have occurred that were injurious to the general population?

Are you just Hope(Doom)-Casting again?
Dunno 'bout you, but I'm feeling very Olympic today. Hope their general population is as well.

Lighten up Francis...

Are you telling me faux news hid this: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/ne...d-accountable/


Mind boggling the lengths some will go to justify ANYTHING the "annointed one" does...


That actions creates generational hate for the US. Not to mention the reputational loss around the world.

[rooster]

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This.

The key word being "generational." We've been honing that skill for decades now.

(the other part...the "lengths" some will go to defending this...is equally germane...ethics and empathy no longer apply...neither does professionalism or realism....)

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[Lantern2814]

The fact that the lefties here are HOPING for failure tells you all you need to know about the lengths they'll go to due to their TDS. Conservatives operate in reality, not La-La land like the left. Again they embarrass themselves and make themselves look worse than we ever could.

[1blackman1]

Hoping for failure. No. Acknowledgment of the failure that has already happened. Yes.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

The fact that the lefties here are HOPING for failure tells you all you need to know about the lengths they'll go to due to their TDS. Conservatives operate in reality, not La-La land like the left. Again they embarrass themselves and make themselves look worse than we ever could.

That’s quite the pant load and it is a straight up lie or possibly a delusional fantasy.

Again nobody here is hoping for failure. We’re just expecting it.

The fact that you ascribe it to TDS tells us everything we need to know about your own political biases.

The truth (as I see it) is that the Iranians have stymied the American forces by damaging the world energy market.

Trump’s options are to continue the war or to capitulate in some way.

Quagmire: a complicated and difficult situation that is hard to escape from.

[Lantern2814]

Not a lie if you actually look at things. Your pathetic insults and claiming "delusional fantasies" aside, you expecting failure from US forces tells us all we need to know. Stage 4 TDS from the Dems and the media. So just another day ending in Y....

[69in2it69]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

Not a lie if you actually look at things. Your pathetic insults and claiming "delusional fantasies" aside, you expecting failure from US forces tells us all we need to know. Stage 4 TDS from the Dems and the media. So just another day ending in Y....

I think you. made his point. expecting failures from US forces? As he said, nobody is hoping for that. Failure from the administration...bet your savings on it. Our military is the best in the world...but those directing them couldn't buy a clue with a half off coupon and a week to shop. What is the objective they are to achieve? What defines success? Those fundamental answers change not daily, but more often with this clown show.


If it's so simple to escort ships through the strait, why hasn't the CiC demostrated this with the world's best Navy? He got played, went into this with no real plan or objectives and is floundering. It was all he could do to read from the teleprompter last night...it's Biden all over, the lights are on but nobody is home.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

The fact that the lefties here are HOPING for failure tells you all you need to know about the lengths they'll go to due to their TDS. Conservatives operate in reality, not La-La land like the left. Again they embarrass themselves and make themselves look worse than we ever could.

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

Not a lie if you actually look at things. Your pathetic insults and claiming "delusional fantasies" aside, you expecting failure from US forces tells us all we need to know. Stage 4 TDS from the Dems and the media. So just another day ending in Y....

Please show us proof that “lefties” are HOPING for failure.

Then you can tell us it’s the truth.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

Are you telling me faux news hid this: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/ne...d-accountable/ ...

Did you actually read the article? Was it a TL;DR scenario or did the big words trip you up; like "if", "extent feasible", "minimize", "consistent with", "indicates", "adjacent", "points to", "systemic" and such?

To be charitable; I totally appreciate your desire to save time and $$ for all of us, by simply declaring it is so and skipping all those old stodgy traditions like investigations and going straight to guilty, seeing whereas the taxpayers pay for all of that schtuff. Thank goodness for CNN and MSNOW.

Lemme ask the simple question first: What does this 14 second video, from the article, have to do with the school?

The answer is in the sub-title under it, but I'll summarize: [Spoiler Alert] - Nutt'n Honey

I hope you do know that that school is within the original compound walls of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), as the article clearly indicates.

So the bottom line appears to be; at best, some lowly DEI hire analyst in DC, or somewhere, gets scolded for not knowing either, or both of, the facts that that particular building was a school, within the IRGC compound walls, and that the Iranian school week runs Saturday to Thursday, and that's the end of it, as there is no evidence or even claim that bombing of schools was a "systemic" pattern across this or other conflicts that the USA is involved in.

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

...That actions creates generational hate for the US...

OMG! You mean they might start shouting DEATH to America at us for 50 years? Again?

Personally, I doubt it as the former ruling class is now, decidedly, extinct and the viciously repressed Subjects will be transformed in to Free Citizens. That is, once they get the internets restored and can actually receive and disseminate the actual situation and goings on...

[69in2it69]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Did you actually read the article? Was it a TL;DR scenario or did the big words trip you up; like "if", "extent feasible", "minimize", "consistent with", "indicates", "adjacent", "points to", "systemic" and such?

To be charitable; I totally appreciate your desire to save time and $$ for all of us, by simply declaring it is so and skipping all those old stodgy traditions like investigations and going straight to guilty, seeing whereas the taxpayers pay for all of that schtuff. Thank goodness for CNN and MSNOW.

Lemme ask the simple question first: What does this 14 second video, from the article, have to do with the school?

The answer is in the sub-title under it, but I'll summarize: [Spoiler Alert] - Nutt'n Honey

I hope you do know that that school is within the original compound walls of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), as the article clearly indicates.

So the bottom line appears to be; at best, some lowly DEI hire analyst in DC, or somewhere, gets scolded for not knowing either, or both of, the facts that that particular building was a school, within the IRGC compound walls, and that the Iranian school week runs Saturday to Thursday, and that's the end of it, as there is no evidence or even claim that bombing of schools was a "systemic" pattern across this or other conflicts that the USA is involved in.

OMG! You mean they might start shouting DEATH to America at us for 50 years? Again?

Personally, I doubt it as the former ruling class is now, decidedly, extinct and the viciously repressed Subjects will be transformed in to Free Citizens. That is, once they get the internets restored and can actually receive and disseminate the actual situation and goings on...

You asked a simple question, I answered. Your only response is insults and to blame it on a DEI hire, but the racism/sexism doesn't change the facts.


So, let's make it simple, say killing all those school kids WAS NOT INJURIOUS TO THE GENERAL POPULATION. Instead of making excuses and slinging insults.

[rooster]

Post edited due to... the poster above me nailing it.

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[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

You asked a simple question, I answered....

..with foregone conclusions, opinion and propaganda from an org that I previously thought was more credible than it now appears to be. But I also asked you a question about your comprehension of the article you posted and you did not answer. You went for your feelings instead. Kinda like these folks do:

I looked into their funding sources a touch. They say their $$ comes mostly from multiple small donors. Curious that ActBlue says similar about themselves. Though Amnesty International also receives large grants from many "foundations", such as Rockefeller and Tides, which they tend to downplay.

Also, least we not forget about, their little sister org, Amnesty International International Secretariat, which receives mandatory payments required under the UN Charter, ensuring stable funding for the UN Secretariat's regular and peacekeeping budgets.

So, let's make it simple. A lot of people have died, many deservedly so, not counting the 30-40 thousand or so Subjects of the now deceased regime, plus those school attendees. Who dunnit, we know not conclusively yet.

However, we do not know how the school was attacked, nor by whom. That is a fact certain. Do I think we did it on purpose? NO! Was it maybe an accident? Maybe. Too soon to tell. So saying we did it intentionally is a bridge too far and to rule out the Iranian regime as being responsible or complicit, out of hand, is BS at best.

Recalling for clarity; that school exists behind the walls of the IRGC compound. Let's go with the good olde fashioned investigate and explore all reasonable avenues. But if you could spare us the drivel about your faux widdle feewins and deal in facts, maybe we can learn more.

For example: It is highly against UN and civilized peoples values, to involve schools, hospitals and such. You know; like Hamas, an Iranian terrorist proxy, does in Gaza by building terrorist HQs or ammo dumps under most hospitals. The term is often embodied by the phrase "Human Shields", aka Sacrificial Lambs.

Leaked IRGC manual shows systematic use of civilian sites as missile cover
Arash Sohrabi Iran International
Mar 31, 2026, 14:22 GMT+1

A leaked internal directive from the IRGC’s missile command appears to show that the use of civilian locations to conceal, support and in some cases facilitate missile launch operations is not ad hoc, but structured, documented and built into operational planning.

The 33-page document shared with Iran International by the hacktivist group Edalat-e Ali (Ali’s Justice) has been marked “very confidential” and is titled Instruction for Identification, Maintenance, and Use of Positions...

Another work from same outlet:

Iran’s military uses schools and civilian sites during US-Israeli war
Azadeh Akbari Iran International
Mar 30, 2026, 20:37 GMT+1

Iran’s security and military forces moved personnel, weapons and equipment into at least 70 civilian sites during the US-Israeli airstrikes, an Iran International investigation found, exposing what appears to be a nationwide pattern of using public spaces for military purposes.

The sites span 17 provinces, 28 cities and two villages. Nearly half of them – 34 in total – were primary or secondary schools. Other locations identified in eyewitness accounts and documents reviewed by Iran International included hospitals, stadiums, universities, mosques, parks and government offices.

The accounts were gathered over a 10-day period from March 2 to March 14, 2026, during a near-total internet shutdown that sharply restricted the flow of messages, photos and video from inside Iran...

These articles do NOT come from the former regime, but Iranian citizens, yearning to be free. Alas, the recently former fanatics do not allow dissemination of the information and have decapitated the internet in Iran since 8/28/2026, but also prior. Kinda creepy-similar to the censorship under the pResident AuotPen Regime during the rule of their censorship complex, headed by one Nina Jankytits and crew during the COVID scam.

By casting the US as the unequivocable boogey man, via inuendo and alleged motive, definitive selection, propaganda and hope casting, casts the terrorist Iranian regime as the crest of new fallen snow and is like spitting in the eye of the oppressed people, aka soon to be citizens again.

[fd-guy]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

..with foregone conclusions, opinion and propaganda from an org that I previously thought was more credible than it now appears to be. But I also asked you a question about your comprehension of the article you posted and you did not answer. You went for your feelings instead. Kinda like these folks do:

I looked into their funding sources a touch. They say their $$ comes mostly from multiple small donors. Curious that ActBlue says similar about themselves. Though Amnesty International also receives large grants from many "foundations", such as Rockefeller and Tides, which they tend to downplay.

Also, least we not forget about, their little sister org, Amnesty International International Secretariat, which receives mandatory payments required under the UN Charter, ensuring stable funding for the UN Secretariat's regular and peacekeeping budgets.

So, let's make it simple. A lot of people have died, many deservedly so, not counting the 30-40 thousand or so Subjects of the now deceased regime, plus those school attendees. Who dunnit, we know not conclusively yet.

However, we do not know how the school was attacked, nor by whom. That is a fact certain. Do I think we did it on purpose? NO! Was it maybe an accident? Maybe. Too soon to tell. So saying we did it intentionally is a bridge too far and to rule out the Iranian regime as being responsible or complicit, out of hand, is BS at best.

Recalling for clarity; that school exists behind the walls of the IRGC compound. Let's go with the good olde fashioned investigate and explore all reasonable avenues. But if you could spare us the drivel about your faux widdle feewins and deal in facts, maybe we can learn more.

For example: It is highly against UN and civilized peoples values, to involve schools, hospitals and such. You know; like Hamas, an Iranian terrorist proxy, does in Gaza by building terrorist HQs or ammo dumps under most hospitals. The term is often embodied by the phrase "Human Shields", aka Sacrificial Lambs.

Another work from same outlet:These articles do NOT come from the former regime, but Iranian citizens, yearning to be free. Alas, the recently former fanatics do not allow dissemination of the information and have decapitated the internet in Iran since 8/28/2026, but also prior. Kinda creepy-similar to the censorship under the pResident AuotPen Regime during the rule of their censorship complex, headed by one Nina Jankytits and crew during the COVID scam.

By casting the US as the unequivocable boogey man, via inuendo and alleged motive, definitive selection, propaganda and hope casting, casts the terrorist Iranian regime as the crest of new fallen snow and is like spitting in the eye of the oppressed people, aka soon to be citizens again.

Your entire post feels like a bunch of fancy wording set up to pretend it's fair and balanced, but it's really just pushing a conclusion from the start. The side digs at funding sources, the snarky quotes around "feelings," the fake "let's check every angle" vibe — it's all dressed-up doubt that isn't really doubting anything. Let's cut through to what the facts actually show.

The school had its own walls and entrances, totally cut off from the IRGC compound since 2016. No military security posts there anymore by then. The mayor of Minab straight-up said the base shut down 15 years ago, and the school was the only thing still running. Even the US military's own early report blamed it on old targeting info. That's not Iran hiding behind human shields — that's screw-ups by the folks pulling the trigger, at best.

Those were Tomahawk missiles. Only the US uses them in this conflict. Trump kept calling them "very generic" and sold everywhere, but that's flat-out wrong — no matter how many times you repeat it. The New York Times, BBC Verify, NPR, CBC, Human Rights Watch, and Amnesty International all looked into it separately and said the same thing.

And get this: the school got hit three times. The second one nailed the prayer room where the principal had moved the kids who survived the first strike. If human shields were the real story, how do you explain precision strikes dodging the medical clinic sitting right between the compound and the school — but then pounding the school three times? That detail doesn't line up at all.

Brushing off Amnesty's funding while treating one outlet like gospel? That's cherry-picking evidence to fit just one side.

Sure, "investigate all avenues" sounds reasonable. But showing up already dead sure Iran did it to themselves, while ignoring every outside investigation that says otherwise? That's not investigating. That's the conclusion playing dress-up as an investigation.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Disclaimer: Apologies, I couldn't find a version that included exploding missiles, bombers carpet bombing, sirens and flaming buildings with people panicking in the streets in the background.

Originally Posted by fd-guy

Your entire post feels like a bunch of fancy wording set up to pretend it's fair and balanced, but it's really just pushing a conclusion from the start...

There you go again...
Thought we were refraining from talking about "feelings" here? Actually, the fancy word for that is called "critical thinking".

Originally Posted by fd-guy

...The school had its own walls and entrances, totally cut off from the IRGC compound since 2016. No military security posts there anymore by then...

Sometimes the simple question is a good starting point: Can someone store war materials, like bombs and drones in abandoned and derelict buildings? Or schools or hospitals for the matter?

Two walls of the school look to be original compound walls from the outside, except for a couple new gates/doors. Least we not forget the storied wisdom of the pResident AutoPen years; walls don't work. AmmIrite?

Originally Posted by fd-guy

...The New York Times, BBC Verify, NPR, CBC, Human Rights Watch, and Amnesty International all looked into it separately and said the same thing...

So's yer say'n that they were on-site, in Iran and completed their data collections and sample collections and forensic work, in a hot war zone in a few hours and completed all the lab results in an unbiased manner, in a country that has an internet blackout. Which of the above do you claim to be the most unbiased, just out of curiosity? Or are they relying on unbiased information from a repressive regime source(s)?

Originally Posted by fd-guy

...And get this: the school got hit three times. The second one nailed the prayer room where the principal had moved the kids who survived the first strike. If human shields were the real story, how do you explain precision strikes dodging the medical clinic sitting right between the compound and the school — but then pounding the school three times? That detail doesn't line up at all...

That right there is just this > < close to critical thinking. So exactly, how and why would the US avoid hitting a hospital, next door to a school, in an abandoned compound, yet put the triple smack down on a school? Notwithstanding that it seems to have happened at the very start of hostilities, which suggest an elevated priority of some significant magnitude. Follow up question: whom interviewed the deceased principle for his quotes and insights in that short time span? Was it actually the regime media?

Originally Posted by fd-guy

...Brushing off Amnesty's funding while treating one outlet like gospel? That's cherry-picking evidence to fit just one side...

I probably should have mentioned that critical thinking doesn't come easy. My bad. You quoted totally un-biased sources (Yea. Sure. You betcha) of: New York Times, BBC Verify, NPR, CBC, Human Rights Watch, and Amnesty International, coming from within a HOT war zone as if they just hopped onto the 11:15 AM R-train over to the school. Guessing you prefer to avoid to discussing their political leanings or funding at this time. Regardless, I'm not entirely convinced that the trains or airports run on time in a flaming hot war zone. But kudos to all of the sources if they did so.

Originally Posted by fd-guy

...Sure, "investigate all avenues" sounds reasonable. But showing up already dead sure Iran did it to themselves, while ignoring every outside investigation that says otherwise? That's not investigating. That's the conclusion playing dress-up as an investigation.

Your words, not mine.

[biomed1]

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