Another quagmire in the Middle East…..

[txdot-guy]

Who’s in the Driver’s Seat?

[elghund]

An in depth look at the failures of US policy in Iran, with Trump and Bush II the chief drivers of destroying any hopes of bringing Iran over to the Western worldview.


What Trump Didn’t Know About Iran



https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/14/o...core-ios-share

[offshoredrilling]

I disliked Obama's and Mr Berry's 3 term failures of US policy in Iran more

[Precious_b]

We can like or hate policies. Doesn't matter.

People vote someone in office and they do that with the intent that those elected will serve the peoples will.

The current potus has repeatedly shown that he does not care about that. Just compare the campaign promises with what he is currently doing.

I did not like some Obama policies but had to admit he was right in some of them. The nuclear deal was in our best interest in allowing oversight of their program.

I have yet to see how donnys policies are better. They sure are draining the budget, not the swamp. But maggies care not for that with their hypocritical mindset.

[Yssup Rider]

I haven't fucking seen anything new from Twitler. Just the same chaos as before, only treble.

[Precious_b]

Haven't caught the news in a couple of days.

Heard something about other countries sending naval vessels as cannon fodder for the cheap Iranian drones.

Also heard that said countries did not validate donnys claim.

[Schwarzer Ritter]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

We can like or hate policies. Doesn't matter.

People vote someone in office and they do that with the intent that those elected will serve the peoples will.

The current potus has repeatedly shown that he does not care about that. Just compare the campaign promises with what he is currently doing.

I did not like some Obama policies but had to admit he was right in some of them. The nuclear deal was in our best interest in allowing oversight of their program.

I have yet to see how donnys policies are better. They sure are draining the budget, not the swamp. But maggies care not for that with their hypocritical mindset.

What does it say about someone who takes myths, rumors, and assumptions as fact? Now, come up with some facts.

[elghund]

Originally Posted by Schwarzer Ritter

What does it say about someone who takes myths, rumors, and assumptions as fact? Now, come up with some facts.

You just described MAGA….which is completely based on myths, rumors and assumptions.

Also…..the facts are Trumptard and Kegseth do not have control of the strait of Hormuz…..when they need to beg for help from other countries.

The quagmire deepens….

elg…

[1blackman1]

Germany says this is not NATOs war. So I guess that’s a polite way of saying “kick rocks” to Trump.

[Yssup Rider]

This is not NATOs war. It’s really not our war either, except it is.

[Schwarzer Ritter]

Article Five says an attack on one is an attack on all. Turkey and Cyprus got missile attacks. You stickers for legalese have to acknowledge that that was an attack on NATO.
Now, do we NEED the support of Germany? Not really but you want to share the burden such as it is now. That way everyone recognizes that they have skin in the game. And they can't come back later like democrats do and say we were against this the whole time.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Schwarzer Ritter

Article Five says an attack on one is an attack on all. Turkey and Cyprus got missile attacks. You stickers for legalese have to acknowledge that that was an attack on NATO.

Now, do we NEED the support of Germany? Not really but you want to share the burden such as it is now. That way everyone recognizes that they have skin in the game. And they can't come back later like democrats do and say we were against this the whole time.

Then Turkey or the US needs to make the article 5 request.

Right now most of the Oil and other commodities transiting the straits of Hormuz are destined to be exported to Asia.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/ar...ran-ft-reports
Trump on Saturday called on nations to send warships to keep the narrow waterway open for ​shipping as Iranian forces continue attacks ⁠following U.S. and Israeli strikes on Iran, saying he hoped countries including China, France, Japan, South Korea, Britain would send ships to the area.

Sounds to me like Trump is attempting to spread the responsibility to the rest of the modern world for his own rash actions. This is why the United States, really the entire industrialized world, must keep up civil relations and all agree to at least play by the same set of rules.

[Schwarzer Ritter]

Why do you think congress relinquished the war declaration in 1973. We didn't vote for it so you can't blame us in the next election. Then again, the democrats love to yell that you didn't ask our permission when a Republican president takes action.

Remember that congress said nothing when Clinton, Obama, and Biden took actions that could a cause for war.

[elghund]

The quagmire gets deeper……

The U.S. military’s greatest weakness in Iran is one it can’t fix
Many issues can be resolved by smarter acquisitions decisions. Not so for incompetent leadership.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...tary-weakness/

elg…..

[Schwarzer Ritter]

Have said that for years...duh.

I could link to it...but ya know.