How many are having a good time, really?

[Sir Lancehernot]

Here https://eccie.net/showpost.php?p=1063994432&post count=14, TinMan says, "... I still contend that I would trade most of my full service experiences since then for any one of those L1+ sessions I enjoyed at Exec XTC."


I couldn't quantify my "most." but I feel the same way. And I've been thinking off and on over the last few years about something similar.


We have more information available to us than we did 30 years ago, although I think we might have a debate about whether both the quantity and quality have diminished over time. Most of y'all are probably more qualified than I to discuss whether that's correlated with changes in the hobby since probably around the early 00's.


But even back when I think the hobby was healthier, I wondered the same things I'll posit below. We have "no" reviews and we have "yes" reviews, with the occasional edit that points in either direction. But among the yes reviews, the text frequently conveys not so much a reason or some reasons to see the provider, but, rather, a "meh." "Meh" as in, "Well, I left with an empty scrotum, but that's about the best thing I could say."


Now, I know there are a lot of suppositions in there. Another one is that guys posting reviews do some research here when they can and can see what I'm seeing in the reviews. And it's not just the reviews themselves -- you can read the comments to a "yes" review and see comments from guys who will write things like "Yeah, had the same experience. Wouldn't repeat."


Still, is it any less a roll of the dice now than it was when our primary reference was the Dallas Observer? Does it seem like a lot of guys spend money engaging women whose looks or skills they should have some high degree of skepticism for, based on information available?

[TinMan]

When I made that comment, I wasn’t implying that most of my full service encounters were bad, just that a well-executed limited service encounter by an extremely attractive woman who acts like she is having as much fun giving you pleasure as you are receiving it can be an exceptional experience.

I’d rather have an A-minus or better limited service engagement than a B-minus full service one. I still like the B-minus visit, but I may not remember much about it a year later. I still remember the details of many of my best studio visits decades later.

[Sir Lancehernot]

Originally Posted by TinMan

When I made that comment, I wasn’t implying that most of my full service encounters were bad, just that a well-executed limited service encounter by an extremely attractive woman who acts like she is having as much fun giving you pleasure as you are receiving it can be an exceptional experience.

I’d rather have an A-minus or better limited service engagement than a B-minus full service one. I still like the B-minus visit, but I may not remember much about it a year later. I still remember the details of many of my best studio visits decades later.

I apologize if I used a springboard when I should have stayed on the edge of the pool. But throw out my citation, and it's still been running through my head for years as I read reviews.

[SnackyChan]

I admit I am having a good time.

That said, I can't properly compare my experience with some of the really long-standing members here. I've never been adventurous enough to visit rub & tugs in the heyday, pick up SWs, or fuck in tiddy bars.

Every monger is here to fulfill something missing in their life. Reasons vary from a desire to escape from reality for a bit, being stuck in a sexless marriage, sexual healing from a breakup, trying new fantasies, asking for kinks they wouldn't ask a girlfriend, difficulties meeting women in the RW, too busy with career for relationships, the thrill of NSA anonymous intimacy, just to mention a few.

How well the provider is able to fill that void in the monger's life determines whether the experience will be an unforgettable one.

[ISpeakTruth]

I think a lot of reviews are written for the ladies and their recognition. The recommendation is so that when a provider is screening, they don't see that the monger leaves a lot of "no" reviews. I agree, when reading reviews, I would say conservatively that I question the "yes" on 40-50% of them. I know the old WALDT angle but the standard of service has fallen and we as a collective whole are responsible for it. Providers are not held to the same standard that we held them to in the past. Perhaps its weapons like Mr. Number or Ladies Only Rooms that have made us less critical and more accepting of mediocrity.

[ISpeakTruth]

With the above said, I'm having a good time, most of the time. But my research has gone up 5X what it used to be.

[SnackyChan]

Originally Posted by ISpeakTruth

I think a lot of reviews are written for the ladies and their recognition. The recommendation is so that when a provider is screening, they don't see that the monger leaves a lot of "no" reviews. I agree, when reading reviews, I would say conservatively that I question the "yes" on 40-50% of them. I know the old WALDT angle but the standard of service has fallen and we as a collective whole are responsible for it. Providers are not held to the same standard that we held them to in the past. Perhaps its weapons like Mr. Number or Ladies Only Rooms that have made us less critical and more accepting of mediocrity.

Maybe I've just been getting lucky, or it's cuz I do plenty of research before I reach out to a lady so I know what to expect going in. Can you elaborate on what you mean standard of service has fallen? What kind of stuff was happening a decade or two ago that's rare now?

I suppose what Lance said could be true abt the quality & quantity going down. My guess would be that it's to do with OnlyFans and the accessibility of digital sexwork that has taken a substantial cohort of women who would otherwise be in the hobby.

As for review recommendations, I leave YES for encounters that are above avg on up to perfect. For encounters that are just meh, I will just abstain from leaving a review. I don't feel compelled to go out of my way to damage a working girl's business just because we didn't click. WALDT so she might be fun for others.

I will leave a NO if the encounter involves catfishing, theft/scam, danger to personal safety, hygiene issues, extreme rudeness or other atrocious behavior. Thankfully I haven't dealt with any of this so far.

[Sir Lancehernot]

[QUOTE=SnackyChan;1063994731My guess would be that it's to do with OnlyFans and the accessibility of digital sexwork that has taken a substantial cohort of women who would otherwise be in the hobby.[/QUOTE]


My contention is that a lot of women who in years past would be putting themselves through school or being the sole provider for one or more kids by dancing, rubbing and tugging or escorting have gone the sugar route. If they're lucky, they can find one guy who will take care of their needs. If they have to work a little harder and have some reservations about what they're doing, they can still tell themselves that sugaring isn't hooking. Or maybe (legitiately or not) they think there's less legal risk to meeting guys on a sugar app than a whore board.


The last time I floated this, TinMan pointed out that guys having mistresses is not a new think. But what is new, I think, is that the blind pigs looking for such companions, and the companions themselves, no longer have to rely on blind luck and play a hide-and-seek game trying to figure out if their interests are mutual. As the commercial went, "There's an app for that." What amounted to barriers to entry have been lowered, at least somewhat, by websites and apps.


I think not only does the sugar world dilute the supply of commercial talent available, it also allows women who wouldn't have thought of being escorts to explore P4P via "sponsors" and "daddies" rather than clients.


The SB didn't like her brief foray into escorting; that's why she went to sugar bowl.

[SnackyChan]

I agree that the modern internet has created a new gateway to advertise as a SB effortless, however, I don't think this new paradigm for women to go the SB route (vs 15yrs ago) is hurting the hobby game significantly.

1. Not as lucrative to be SB. The vast majority of SB's receive a couple hundred to come play for the day. It's usually an amount comparable or slightly higher than what the SB would make for a day's work at their RW job. I suspect the SB also enjoys herself, going to dinner dates, pro sporting events, galas, etc, and is much more preferable than busting ass waitressing at Hooters for a day. But in the end a provider makes the same amount in just a 1hr appt. A provider's donation for an entire day/night is in the thousands. A provider is also not going to want to do SB type of activities with all of her clients.

2. The substantial rise in SBs would make it much more difficult for them to land their SD whale, with all the increased competition. The # of multimillionaires who toss thousands at their SBs and sponsor their housing/vacations/spending money is not increasing at the rate of SB supply. I am not convinced the new cohort of middle-class guys and hobbyists exploring p4p via SB is significant enough to make a dent in the SB dilution.

3. One could also argue that rise in SB has widened the lanes as a gateway into escorting, therefore creating a new pipeline into the hobby.

[SnackyChan]

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[futbolhead]

I clicked on the link and I wouldn’t be surprised if I ran into a few of you in Houston back in the day. If Cattleguard or Sams Boat ring a bell, the odds improve. Ive tried a few times but amps, spas, independents and streetwalkers never did it for me… something about me being in work mode most of the time so it takes me a minute and a few beers before I relax. I’ve always been more of a strip club guy because when I walk in I’m not committed to anything until I become interested.

I do enjoy the strip clubs more now than back then although quite a bit more expensive if you find something that you like. A lot of the strippers back then were one step away from sleeping in their cars.

[BB-Bandit]

Just to be no were not having as much fun anymore the talent has went way down an the price has went way up an most of the young ones have a severe hygiene problem i just rejoined eccie after a decade of being gone from this site but the hobbie is definitely gone down hill i still find diamonds but there far an few between but i so do love the hunt ! So i guess that's y im back

[Greented]

I have a fundamental problem with the hobby that I don't see any way of solving: I would never, under any circumstances, engage in BBFS with a provider. The dangers are just too real. However, CFS is always going to leave me feeling a little less than satisfied. As far as oral sex goes, I've always considered that to be foreplay. So even BBBJ is going to fall short of total satisfaction. If my wife was still interested in sex I would have never explored this route in the first place. Sex with her was always more than adequate. But now here I am, having to contemplate paying several hundred dollars for an experience I know for certain will feel a bit lacking after all is said and done. Throw in the inherent risks involved and the whole thing starts to sound stupid to me.

[TinMan]

Originally Posted by Greented

I have a fundamental problem with the hobby that I don't see any way of solving: I would never, under any circumstances, engage in BBFS with a provider. The dangers are just too real. However, CFS is always going to leave me feeling a little less than satisfied. As far as oral sex goes, I've always considered that to be foreplay. So even BBBJ is going to fall short of total satisfaction. If my wife was still interested in sex I would have never explored this route in the first place. Sex with her was always more than adequate. But now here I am, having to contemplate paying several hundred dollars for an experience I know for certain will feel a bit lacking after all is said and done. Throw in the inherent risks involved and the whole thing starts to sound stupid to me.

I applaud you on your discipline, sir. If I felt similarly, I might seek counseling with the wife to see if those issues can be resolved. If not, and there is no way that a CFS GFE regular can scratch that itch, I would probably end the marriage so I could freely seek the intimacy I desire in another monogamous relationship.

For me, I can still find the joy in a really good GFE (passion and kissing being my only requirements), so I am ok with the status quo.

[Stamptheworld]

its fun for me. Lancerhot you are putting way too much thought into it. I wonder if thats affecting you and sessions