Voter Fraud - Voter ID - REAL ID

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by RX792P

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The Texas Secretary of State’s Office said it had not initially checked the list of 2,724 potential noncitizens flagged by the federal database against DPS records.
Note "potential"...
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Results of review of the 2724 seem to be sparse, but confirm there are at least 33 U.S. citizens on the list...raising questions about the accuracy of the SAVE database.

w.o.w. Mega numbers to those with micro brains.

For the amount of time, effort, and $$$$$, i'd like someone to show how it was really worth it. Especially in that other thread(s)

Originally Posted by Tiny

That's a ridiculous idea. Why would you want poorly informed people or people who don't care voting? When I don't know anything about the candidates or the issue, I don't vote.

[txdot-guy]

The Myth of Voter Fraud is itself a fraud. Studies show that voter fraud is less than 10 thousandth of a percent.

Here is a good editorial about the issue if you’re interested. Although I’m sure plenty of people here will call the conclusions lies or the author a RINO.

https://archive.ph/eRCVO

Trump’s Claims About Noncitizens Voting Are False. We Can Prove It.
By Stephen Richer
Mr. Richer is a Republican former elected recorder of Maricopa County, Ariz., where he was responsible for voter registration, early voting and mail-in voting.

This week, President Trump called on his party to nationalize American elections, an unconstitutional move that he said would be justified because of the danger of noncitizens casting ballots. “These people were brought to our country to vote, and they vote illegally,” he said.

No president has so baldly proposed to intervene in state elections, but the charge that noncitizens are illegally casting ballots is sadly commonplace. Elon Musk claims on X, without evidence, that significant numbers of illegal immigrants vote. Rudy Giuliani erroneously alleged that my home state, Arizona, had allowed “probably about 250,000” votes from noncitizens in 2020, despite the fact that Arizona has long required proof of citizenship to vote in state elections.

Election officials usually respond to these allegations by pointing out that there are almost no prosecutions of fraudulent noncitizen voters. Reuters has noted that even the pro-Trump Heritage Foundation’s database of election crimes listed only 24 instances of noncitizens voting in U.S. elections from 2003 to 2023.

While these rebuttals are correct, they are incomplete: Just because something isn’t prosecuted doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Happily, there is new compelling evidence debunking the false claims. Recently, a number of states have undertaken investigations into noncitizen voting, cross-checking voter rolls with citizenship status, and found it virtually nonexistent.

When confronted with allegations on noncitizens voting in Utah, Lt. Gov. Deidre Henderson, the state’s top election official, initiated a monthslong review of Utah’s approximately 2.1 million registered voters. She and her team found one “confirmed noncitizen.” Just one. And that one noncitizen, while registered, had never voted.

Idaho, a state of one million voters, ran similar tests in 2024, and they found 36 “very likely” registered noncitizens. That may seem like a lot until you view it in light of claims that statewide elections are altered by such anomalies. Some, but not all, of those 36 people have previously voted, the secretary of state, Phil McGrane, said, but “out of the million-plus registered voters we started with, we’re down to 10 thousandths of a percent” of the overall count — not even close to affecting the outcome.

Louisiana’s investigation in 2025 netted some 390 noncitizen registrants, 79 of whom had voted in at least one election over the last several decades (out of 2.9 million registrants). Just a few weeks ago, Montana found 23 possible noncitizen registrants (out of approximately 785,000 people registered). And Georgia, in some ways the model for these investigations, found in its 2024 audit 20 registered noncitizens (out of 8.2 million registrations). In my four years in office in Maricopa County overseeing voter registration, I came across a total of two possible instances of noncitizens voting out of some 2.5 million registered voters.

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These investigations affirm what is simply common sense. People largely aren’t willing to risk their status in the United States — the land of economic opportunity — for the ability to cast one more vote out of hundreds of thousands or millions in a state and hundreds of millions in the country.

The investigations also suggest that many politicians and public interest groups, all of which have access to these reports, may not actually care that much about election security. The constant talk of noncitizen voting is more likely about scoring political points and bolstering fund-raising.

Playing politics with the idea of fraudulent voters and stolen elections comes at a real cost to American confidence in our elections. It’s an affront to our democracy and to all those who work to deliver free and fair elections. It’s also an ominous sign for where things may be heading this year.

Click the link above for the full article.

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ZACKLY.....

MAGA's been duped, steered into believing the biggest, lying scam of our times....

The only reason Trump and Co. want voter ID is to expunge voting blocks that skew toward Democrats. It's not needed to stop fraud. Proven multiple times.

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[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by rooster

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ZACKLY.....

MAGA's been duped, steered into believing the biggest, lying scam of our times....

The only reason Trump and Co. want voter ID is to expunge voting blocks that skew toward Democrats. It's not needed to stop fraud. Proven multiple times.

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That can't be right in a couple of ways.

Positive voter ID only affects non-citizens attempting to vote.

Eliminating on-citizens from the voting process would only "skew" towards citizens regardless of their political leanings.

On this forum, we have been talking about this subject for at least a decade if not two. Ion that time, any citizen with a genuine difficulty getting together the documentation necessary to get an ID could have gotten that done. Today, there is still well over a year left to get it done for the 2028 election.. Call the county headquarters of the party of your choice and someone there will help you get it done.


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and now, regarding "the big lie" . . . .the b biggest politically founded 'big lies" in my lifetime:

Lyndon Johnson: the lie about Tonkin Gulf attack.

Baark Obama: "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor . . ."
and of course, " . . .if you like your health plan you can keep your health plan!"

The entire progressive left's efforts to keep Joe Biden in the/white hHouse; power brokers, administration insiders and every news outlet except for Fox telling us that President Biden was not a mental vegetable . . . .when anyone (and everyone) could see that he was.

Those, were and still are really big lies that affected millions of lives here in America and around the world.

[1blackman1]

If voter fraud is essentially nonexistent, isn’t that proof that the current system works just fine?

Why make changes to a system that has already virtually eliminated fraud?

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by Tiny

That's not going to happen.

Karoline Leavitt hems and haws...

“I can’t guarantee that an ICE agent won’t be around a polling location in November.”

“I mean frankly, that’s a very silly, hypothetical question," she added, "but what I can tell you is I haven’t heard the president discuss any formal plans to put ICE outside of polling locations.”

If it's a 'very silly hypothetical question' it shouldn't be hard to say "no ICE at polls in November"...that she has to caveat with "can't guarantee" and "formal plans" (what about 'informal plans'?) appears to intentionally leave lots of wiggle room.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

If voter fraud is essentially nonexistent, isn’t that proof that the current system works just fine?

Why make changes to a system that has already virtually eliminated fraud?

My point exactly!

[bambino]

Trump lays out the gameplan to save the Republic.

Voter-ID, proof of citizenship, no mass mail-in ballots.

If we pass this legislation, the Dems will face extinction and the radical Left takeover will be neutralized.

We must win here and now, or it’s over.

https://t.me/bioclandestine/6323

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by bambino

Trump lays out the gameplan to save the Republic.

Voter-ID, proof of citizenship, no mass mail-in ballots.

If we pass this legislation, the Dems will face extinction and the radical Left takeover will be neutralized.

We must win here and now, or it’s over.

https://t.me/bioclandestine/6323

[elghund]

Originally Posted by bambino

Trump lays out the gameplan to save the Republic.

Voter-ID, proof of citizenship, no mass mail-in ballots.

If we pass this legislation, the Dems will face extinction and the radical Left takeover will be neutralized.

We must win here and now, or it’s over.

https://t.me/bioclandestine/6323

Your comment is delusional.



elg……

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by bambino

Trump lays out the gameplan to save the Republic.

Voter-ID, proof of citizenship, no mass mail-in ballots.

If we pass this legislation, the Dems will face extinction and the radical Left takeover will be neutralized.

We must win here and now, or it’s over.

https://t.me/bioclandestine/6323

The Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Cases database found only 77 instances of noncitizens casting a ballot between 1999 and 2023.
https://electionfraud.heritage.org/s...fraud_type=All

Assume (ass u me)there are massive numbers of illegally registered voters...What will the SAVE act do to remove those from current voter rolls?

If it does, how will this be prevented?
a recent voter purge in Alabama that used data from the state’s Department of Labor, nearly 94% of the people removed from the state voter rolls were U.S. citizens.
Another recent analysis of federal databases, conducted by the North Carolina State Board of Elections, found that approximately 98% of individuals identified by the DMV as noncitizens were actually U.S. citizensopens a new window

[rooster]

Originally Posted by rooster

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MAGA's been duped, steered into believing the biggest, lying scam of our times....

The only reason Trump and Co. want voter ID is to expunge voting blocks that skew toward Democrats. It's not needed to stop fraud. Proven multiple times.
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Originally Posted by ICU 812

That can't be right in a couple of ways.

Positive voter ID only affects non-citizens attempting to vote.

Eliminating on-citizens from the voting process would only "skew" towards citizens regardless of their political leanings.

On this forum, we have been talking about this subject for at least a decade if not two. Ion that time, any citizen with a genuine difficulty getting together the documentation necessary to get an ID could have gotten that done. Today, there is still well over a year left to get it done for the 2028 election.. Call the county headquarters of the party of your choice and someone there will help you get it done.


*************

and now, regarding "the big lie" . . . .the b biggest politically founded 'big lies" in my lifetime:

Lyndon Johnson: the lie about Tonkin Gulf attack.

Baark Obama: "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor . . ."
and of course, " . . .if you like your health plan you can keep your health plan!"

The entire progressive left's efforts to keep Joe Biden in the/white hHouse; power brokers, administration insiders and every news outlet except for Fox telling us that President Biden was not a mental vegetable . . . .when anyone (and everyone) could see that he was.

Those, were and still are really big lies that affected millions of lives here in America and around the world.

Are you done? I'm glad you were able to get alla that outta ya...it had to be tearing you up inside...kinda like bad chili or somethin...

It absolutely CAN be right...what I said above. And it is.

You are just repeating the simplistic, gaslighting arguments that Trump is insisting that his toadies in the GOP jam down your throat. Maybe look at the NYT or Politico today. They run this down quite well.

The SAVE act requires you to prove citizenship when you register.

Sounds reasonable, right?

It is not.

There are two main ways to prove citizenship: birth certificate or Passport.

Roughly 50 percent of the voting population doesn't have a Passport. And only Christ knows how many 10's of millions of people don't have ready access to a Birth Certificate.

Adding in the "picture ID" requirement imposes further burden.

If you look at the demographics of those who have don't have these things, guess what you find? That they are predominantly poorer people and minorities. And their votes "skew" towards...are ya ready for this?...THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

This is nothing but another egregious attempt at voter suppression...a major tool of autocratic governments.

The fucking Constitution does not require this. And the claims that "election security" requires this are bald-faced fucking lies...as stated so well by txdot and others above.

They are lying to you. Again. It never stops.

And MAGA laps this shit right up. Thank you sir, may I have another.

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[Tiny]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

If voter fraud is essentially nonexistent, isn’t that proof that the current system works just fine?

Why make changes to a system that has already virtually eliminated fraud?

Is this a trick question? Because 58% of Americans worried about voter fraud before the 2024 election? Or because 43% of Americans aren't confident votes for president will be accurately cast and counted? And because it's important most Americans believe they live in a democracy?

Why are we even arguing about this, as it relates to the Trump administration? Short of an act of Congress, the Feds can't require photo ID or ban mail in voting. And no such act is going to pass because of the filibuster. If the executive branch tries to achieve either through regulation, the courts will shut it down pretty damn quick.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/po...fraud-concerns
https://news.gallup.com/poll/651185/...ven-wider.aspx

[rooster]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Is this a trick question? Because 58% of Americans worried about voter fraud before the 2024 election? Or because 43% of Americans aren't confident votes for president will be accurately cast and counted? And because it's important most Americans believe they live in a democracy?

Please see the "lied to by MAGA again" part above. That's the only reason they "worry" about this. MAGA has lied about this without limit and without end. THEY generated this worry. It is not justified.

Originally Posted by Tiny

Why are we even arguing about this, as it relates to the Trump administration? Short of an act of Congress, the Feds can't require photo ID or ban mail in voting. And no such act is going to pass because of the filibuster. If the executive branch tries to achieve either through regulation, the courts will shut it down pretty damn quick.

Your confidence in the filibuster and the courts is...perhaps too optimistic. It is true that Thune is making noise about respecting the filibuster. But there are many arguing that they need to work around it. And the courts? It will end up with the Supremes, and their track record for voting rights is not good recently...and trending worse. Much worse.

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[RX792P]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Is this a trick question? Because 58% of Americans worried about voter fraud before the 2024 election? Or because 43% of Americans aren't confident votes for president will be accurately cast and counted? And because it's important most Americans believe they live in a democracy?

IMO...because if you repeat a lie often enough it can become the 'truth'.
And because a significant portion of the populous (Trump supporters in particular) gullible are neuroplastic enough to be convinced by now near 10 year continued full-time onslaught of propaganda.

relating to current events...Niki Minaj says moon landing fake...seems around 18% of the US populace agree with her.