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Old 12-24-2025, 04:57 PM   #16
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^^^^^ Agree with this. I don't recall hearing many complaints about The Legends, Kansas Speedway, or Childrens Mercy Park. All were done with STAR bonds. Worries need to be with Jackson County and Kansas City, they are going to have a HUGE loss in revenue from fees and taxes linked to tickets, concessions, parking etc. Not to mention earnings taxes, not many people realize that the athletes that play in either of those stadiums pay KC earnings tax for the days they play there. That includes visiting teams players as well. One percent for several days doesn't sound like a lot, but when it's on 40-50 million annual salaries that adds up quick.
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Old 12-26-2025, 09:15 AM   #17
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The "new" Kansas Pro Sports Stadium Star Bonds are repaid mostly by Sales Taxes.
Yes, the Sales Taxes in that huge district the Dept. of Commerce made. This tax will be part of every purchase for the next 30 yrs. Every time you switch a light on, turn the tap of a faucet, grocery shop, etc. That is the way it works. I have filed enough multi-jurisdiction Sales Taxes in multiple states to know. Property valuations will increase to offset the lost sales taxes. So no new taxes. Just paying more.
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Old 12-26-2025, 08:11 PM   #18
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Well you KC people make the big bucks so you'll be able to pay more for everything
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Old 12-26-2025, 09:08 PM   #19
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Yep us KC peeps are pretty bougie
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Old 12-27-2025, 08:30 AM   #20
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Think Mahomes will be long gone once the new stadium is ready?
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Old 12-27-2025, 02:31 PM   #21
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The Mahomie Dome.

You heard it here first.
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Old 12-27-2025, 04:44 PM   #22
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Personally he's already losing his performance level and even with all the other guys around him they still lost a lot of games
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Old 12-27-2025, 11:48 PM   #23
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Mo losing upwards of 280 million a year and Ks just footing the bill is wild to me. I get why he's moving though. That deal is wicked. I'm sure some things will change by the time the ground breaks.
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Old 12-28-2025, 07:34 AM   #24
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Think Mahomes will be long gone once the new stadium is ready?
Nope.
10 year contract in 2020 has him playing into the 1st year at the new Kansas stadium. But, he's now 30 years old.

So, is his under pressure execution slipping?
His actual completion rate is still in the mid 60%.
However, his interception rate is 2.2% this year and puts him at 29th (includes 2nd stringers). Amusingly, Josh Allen is worse, but the Bills have a good run game, which KC does not have.
So yes, he's throwing the ball away and I hope Andy has discussed that with him.

Btw, although the Chiefs have increased their run plays last couple years, for 2025 they are 22nd in avg rushing yards per game (Statmuse). So yes opposing teams know how to shut down Mahomes passing. How often have we seen Travis double teamed?

Last, look at the injuries list. Three Offensive Linemen, two Wide Receivers, and Six Defensive (ouch and super ouch for the defense).
A key item in betting odds is the concept of cluster injuries which are multiple injuries to a position group. In the Chiefs case, Offensive line and Defensive backfield.
That's not Mahomes. That's Clark Hunt, Brett Veach, and the coaches getting players on the team (depthchart). Games are won based on a few extra yards on a few plays in a game.

OK so much for my scouting report and back to the new Stadium.

The key issue is the sales tax used for funding that, Missouri vs. Kansas. For Missouri, a voter approved sales tax just in Jackson County (and maybe some undefined State funds). For Kansas, the Star Bond is a legislative approved "district" tax (not voter approved) and the "district" is all of Wyandotte county and a good portion of Johnson County. I've worked Star Bond stuff and what Kansas offered is a "Super" Star Bond. This amount of tax revenue simply made Clark Hunt's decision quite easy and will lock the Chiefs into Kansas for 30 years (about the life of a Stadium). Btw2, the Chiefs have options for several 5 year extensions.

Btw3, every time I see tailgaters at Arrowhead, and ignoring out of state license plates (sorry Iowa & Nebraska) half the plates are Kansas. So now those Kansan's sales tax funds will be staying in Kansas. Btw4, license plate reading cameras can and do provide valid statistics that can be used in calculations about sales tax shifts MO vs. KS when run against DMV records. Btw5, of course the Chiefs know exactly where all of their season ticket holders are from.

Last, note Clark Hunt's statement of: It's all about the fans.
Of course he knows where most of the on site game fan revenue actually originates from.
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I honestly don't care what they do
For the most part I have lost interest in all sports and it doesn't matter what
sport. I live so rural that the tax rates and things would have to be on a state level would be the only way it would effect me and I don't travel like I used too
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Will The Chiefs take Wyandotte or Olathe as their name instead of KC? Can't keep KC Chiefs far as I'm concerned. Think they're stupid for leaving cause they could have built a new stadium where Kauffman is when Royals leave. Lot of history to those stadiums and the families that started them.
I've lost a lot of interest in both teams in the last few years, but the Royals even longer.

Hate to see them go for the money they brought into Jackson County but don't really care that their going.
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If missourians are pissed...lets really piss em off and call them the Kansas Chiefs.
I mean the Titans are in Nashville and named the Tennessee Titans.
Cardinals are in Phoenix but called the Arizona Cardinals
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Speedway Chiefs?
NASCAR Chiefs?
They will be playing next door.
I wonder if they'll share the parking lots?

They could take the name of that city that the stadium will be built in.
Might save on printing new stationary.
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Will The Chiefs take Wyandotte or Olathe as their name instead of KC? Can't keep KC Chiefs far as I'm concerned. Think they're stupid for leaving cause they could have built a new stadium where Kauffman is when Royals leave. Lot of history to those stadiums and the families that started them.
I've lost a lot of interest in both teams in the last few years, but the Royals even longer.

Hate to see them go for the money they brought into Jackson County but don't really care that their going.
Probably should take the name of whatever city they wind up in.

*looks at map of proposed location*

Yup...looks like it's...Kansas City
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