The operation model needs an overhaul.

[mrZz]

Originally Posted by CT$odGwn

Or maybe the studios could operate in a way similar to pachinko parlors in Japan. A pachinko parlor is basically a casino, but it doesn’t give out cash rewards. Instead, it offers “gifts” that can immediately be sold for cash at a shop next door.

For the studios, they could have stores that sell small items (a token of some kind, like casino chips, using RFID to verify authenticity) for hundreds of dollars each. The law forbids paying money for sex, but it never says that a person can’t give an expensive gift to a girl — and that the gift might make her so happy she decides to sleep with him.

it could work but not for long, game rooms use to do that, and most of them eventually got busted


one more thing to bring up.. AS started taking Zelle payments, pretty recent too. whoever gave them that idea is fucking retarded. even if it didnt contribute to the bust, its more evidence and you bank account is attached to the evidence.

[Monaural]

Originally Posted by CT$odGwn

In Japan, for example, clients do not visit studios directly. Instead, a client typically reserves a hotel room for a few hours, informs the studio of their chosen companion, and the studio arranges delivery. The overall cost seems comparable to the price here.

A> Prostitution is legal in Japan

B> Foreigners pay a foreigner tax on prostitution in Japan

C> Retards on this forum can't stomach a $40 price increase, you think they can stomach adding hotel costs on top plus an outcall fee?

"Mamasan should open up a fake casino" is not a reasonable idea.


Agree that these places should be using Telegram. But I don't think we've seen a history of John's getting busted during these raids outside of someone being caught in the act.

Using Telegram or KTalk probably a good idea in general but these girls advertise and mongers talk publicly. There will never be enough OpSec to get around that.

Originally Posted by CT$odGwn

I hope the screening was a joke and I hope they actually kept no history. I think it is beneficial for the people who operate the studios to have minimal record so they won't be used against them.

What was told to me by KF/Sun/AS/etc girls is that booker verifies, puts your # in as "ok" and content is deleted. Whether or not that is true I don't know. Jun was booker for SunFlower when it was raided. She was not the booker when I verified. Jun also had my personal # as a side piece for a while. I never saw any blowback, even when I took her some toiletries and snacks while she was locked up.

[Big b.o.b.1]

This is all getting too complicated to do business with the businesses, what’s that saying about the juice and the squeeze? (I know what it is, just being funny) Lol lol

[Bbbjlover1]

I'd favor less customer privacy if we can go back to $140
30 minute full service

[Bestman200600]

Place a dozen of the Korean ladies on P411 as independent providers. Then as necessary move them from city to city.

[CT$odGwn]

Originally Posted by mrZz

it could work but not for long, game rooms use to do that, and most of them eventually got busted


one more thing to bring up.. AS started taking Zelle payments, pretty recent too. whoever gave them that idea is fucking retarded. even if it didnt contribute to the bust, its more evidence and you bank account is attached to the evidence.

The indies and onlyfan girls seem to take Zelle, cash app, and venmo all the time. That's probably where they got the idea. But you are right. This is considered "organized" and it is treated differently.

[CT$odGwn]

Originally Posted by Monaural

A> Prostitution is legal in Japan

Legal prostitution requires licensing, and those licenses are extremely limited. From what I’ve read, no new licenses have been issued for over ten years, and the number of existing ones continues to decline as businesses close. I believe that “licensed” businesses operate in designated establishments rather than hotels (though I could be mistaken).

The vast majority of prostitution in Japan is unlicensed. Law enforcement generally doesn’t intervene because these services technically avoid offering “vaginal intercourse,” which is the illegal part. If that does occur, both the woman and the client can claim they “fell in love” with each other, making it difficult for the government to prosecute.

This system is quite different from how prostitution laws work in the United States.

Originally Posted by Monaural

"Mamasan should open up a fake casino" is not a reasonable idea.

Come on. I did not suggest opening fake casinos. I suggested tokenizing the transactions so that payment and service are separated. If they do not happen together, individually, they’re not crimes.

Originally Posted by Monaural

Agree that these places should be using Telegram. But I don't think we've seen a history of John's getting busted during these raids outside of someone being caught in the act.

Using Telegram or KTalk probably a good idea in general but these girls advertise and mongers talk publicly. There will never be enough OpSec to get around that.

We cannot achieve 100% safety, but that does not mean we should take no action to improve it. If enough precaution is taken, the blast radius can be contained and the impact minimized. 3 studios raided at the same time is a pretty big blast.

KTalk is probably a better idea than Telegram. Telegram is unsafe by design. KTalk is unsafe too, but it is a smaller target.

Originally Posted by Monaural

What was told to me by KF/Sun/AS/etc girls is that booker verifies, puts your # in as "ok" and content is deleted. Whether or not that is true I don't know. Jun was booker for SunFlower when it was raided. She was not the booker when I verified. Jun also had my personal # as a side piece for a while. I never saw any blowback, even when I took her some toiletries and snacks while she was locked up.

This information very good to know. Thank you for sharing. You even visited one of the girls when she was jailed? That is very bold of you.

[TX_hammer]

keep dream on 140 rose is million years ago

[HenrySwanson]

We have to ask ourselves, what did these three studios have in common (other than paying girls for sex) that made LE hit them all the same day, around the same time (I believe). If LE only busted one, were the other two going to get busted later, or would they have known something was up and shut down business and moved? And two remained. One did shut down that day (not sure if they have even reopened yet) and another stayed open NGAF about LE. I'm just curious about LEs tactics on this. If they knew about one or three, they had to know about all of them...plus the Chinese agencies didn't get touched.

[HndsmGntlmn]

Like a lot of shit it was probably politically motivated.
But, speaking in an open forum to a bunch of losers will not help to motivate the studios to improve there system.
You have to get in touch with one of the Mamasans, and create an app that they and you can use, start with small scale distribution and go from there.
I think the biggest issue is that most clientele has to go to the location (because of a bad marriage etc). So the provider has to bare the cost there. I am not sure if there is a way to solve that issue.

[CT$odGwn]

Originally Posted by HndsmGntlmn

Like a lot of shit it was probably politically motivated.
But, speaking in an open forum to a bunch of losers will not help to motivate the studios to improve there system.
You have to get in touch with one of the Mamasans, and create an app that they and you can use, start with small scale distribution and go from there.
I think the biggest issue is that most clientele has to go to the location (because of a bad marriage etc). So the provider has to bare the cost there. I am not sure if there is a way to solve that issue.

Good point. But now I am too scared to contact them. They need professional service rather than my amateur suggestion. My point is they should pay someone to develop a new model. My suggestions are just example ideas.

[CT$odGwn]

Originally Posted by HenrySwanson

We have to ask ourselves, what did these three studios have in common (other than paying girls for sex) that made LE hit them all the same day, around the same time (I believe). If LE only busted one, were the other two going to get busted later, or would they have known something was up and shut down business and moved? And two remained. One did shut down that day (not sure if they have even reopened yet) and another stayed open NGAF about LE. I'm just curious about LEs tactics on this. If they knew about one or three, they had to know about all of them...plus the Chinese agencies didn't get touched.

I have no answer to any of these.

[HenrySwanson]

We have all been to these studios...and while WE know what is going on...there is nothing a cop can walk into and see, even if he catches a provider and a monger fucking, and arrest anyone. It's juts an oddly decorated apartment with two girls living in it that definitely don't have their names on the lease. This is not a criminal act. I'm just having sex with a girl and I happen o carry a lot of cash and condoms. None of these things are illegal.


At what point does busting down the doors on these apartments become a necessity of an ongoing and provable criminal act. Are they keeping drugs and/or some other type of contraband here? If so, managemen needs to FUCKING STAHP!


Seriously, I don't get, legally, how this kind of operation gets busted. It has to be something outside of what we are seeing. Because unless the girl is a cop and hears you offer money for sex, or they somehow wired the place, I don't really see how a monger can get in trouble or even the girls can. Never talking about it in person seems full proof. I feel like management is fucking up somehow. I'm not saying this was intentional necessarily, but it seems like it could have been prevented. I mean if ULE came in and got the girl to start talking prices before actions took place, I guess, but this operation seems like they were going after something else.


Maybe I'm totally off base, and I would love for someone with legal expertise to explain why.

[Bestman200600]

It is safer for the ladies to work in small groups than independently. One of my Korean provider friends moved to Houston thinking she could make more money there. The first month in Houston, she was beat up and robbed on a date and she quickly returned to Dallas. Didn't last a month in Houston.

There are Korean providers that I have known and dated for years. They are more girlfriend than escort. The perception LE has is not correct. Some of these ladies are just friends.

[nono]

Originally Posted by TX_hammer

keep dream on 140 rose is million years ago

Nah it was just about 10 years ago not million years ago. But yeah inflation is always going to be there so make sure you can keep up or fly to South America.