The operation model needs an overhaul.

[CT$odGwn]

I believe it is time for both clients and studios to pause and take a critical look at how this business currently operates. The existing model clearly presents safety concerns, and it may be beneficial for studios to hire security experts to design a more secure and sustainable operational framework.

Much of the communication infrastructure still relies on early 2000s technologies. Websites, email systems, and text message on mobile phones are all outdated, and the physical location of operations may also not be ideal. Functions such as marketing, verification, communication, and payment processes should be modernized and handled differently.

In Japan, for example, clients do not visit studios directly. Instead, a client typically reserves a hotel room for a few hours, informs the studio of their chosen companion, and the studio arranges delivery. The overall cost seems comparable to the price here. This model makes raiding more complex and legally challenging. The LEs don't have enough reason to raid a private hotel room that only seen two persons got in.

From a communication standpoint, modern encrypted and privacy-focused platforms such as Signal, Matrix, Session, and SimpleX offer much better anonymity. In particular, SimpleX allows each contact to exist under a completely separate profile, ensuring that none of the contacts are linked to a user’s identity. If a contact is deleted, the user becomes permanently unreachable from that person’s side. And SimpleX does not require a phone number to register an account. You can have as many accounts as you want and delete as many as you want.

Verification remains a significant challenge and should ideally be conducted through a different channel than the booking. Ideally, clients could be asked to provide proof of health and identification, verified once but never stored for privacy reasons. An example, a client can be asked to purchase a specific type of alcohol at a specific location. This verifies both age and ID.

While I am not an expert and may not be aware of all operational details, the knowledge for security and privacy are publicly available on the internet. Everyone should be more serious these days.

[mrZz]

its a better system in general but we dont have that luxury in the US


this makes it harder for those with SOs, especially those in bad marriages, which is most of their client base. infidelity or spending money on hookers is not good for divorce.


in japan and korea, they have love motels, which have hourly rates and leave no trails. i dont know of a hotel/motel in dallas area that takes cash.


raids and sting operations suck, but they dont happen as often as you think. its very unlucky to be caught up in one. most girls have only heard and yet to be involved. only 2 or 3 studios were involved, the ones that really suck are the mass sting ops, like the one in seatle they did 7-8 years ago where the busted like 20-30 girls across 5 different agencies. wiped seatle clean for a few years i believe.

[MrBrowneye]

If they made it into a private club, you pay an "entry fee" then see your chosen person. Fees are paid to the club and the club pays out its employees. To sweeten the deal "if its recorded then its not paying for sex" vids will be posted on an OF account but not really. Vids will be employees dancing with faces blurred out or not shown.

[CT$odGwn]

Originally Posted by mrZz

its a better system in general but we dont have that luxury in the US


this makes it harder for those with SOs, especially those in bad marriages, which is most of their client base. infidelity or spending money on hookers is not good for divorce.


in japan and korea, they have love motels, which have hourly rates and leave no trails. i dont know of a hotel/motel in dallas area that takes cash.


raids and sting operations suck, but they dont happen as often as you think. its very unlucky to be caught up in one. most girls have only heard and yet to be involved. only 2 or 3 studios were involved, the ones that really suck are the mass sting ops, like the one in seatle they did 7-8 years ago where the busted like 20-30 girls across 5 different agencies. wiped seatle clean for a few years i believe.

My account was created on March 13, 2024. In such a short period of time, I have already seen two large-scale studio raids and one high-profile sting operation on the streets in the Dallas area. This frequency makes me quite uneasy.

The way these studios currently operate introduces considerable friction while providing little to no real protection. The website passwords, verification processes, and text message communications have not prevented them from being raided. Instead, these measures seem to expose clients to potential legal risks. Continue operation in the same manner feels stupid.

[CT$odGwn]

Originally Posted by MrBrowneye

If they made it into a private club, you pay an "entry fee" then see your chosen person. Fees are paid to the club and the club pays out its employees. To sweeten the deal "if its recorded then its not paying for sex" vids will be posted on an OF account but not really. Vids will be employees dancing with faces blurred out or not shown.

I know strip clubs have VIP areas where you can pay a one-time lifetime membership fee to gain access. People have "fun" with the strippers there, but you have to be bold because the place is not entirely private. Security guards sometimes busts in and fires the strippers on the spot for having "fun" with customers (because it is technically illegal). On the bright side, I’ve never heard of any legal issues. No one was ever charged for anything.

[mrZz]

i dont have much info on the first recent bust with kfest and sunflower, i was out of the scene but what i did know was screening was a joke. they operated literally like a spa, took every client.
back when i was trying to get screened in LA, no one answered my emails or textsfor days, i had to ask my atf at the time to get me through the screening.


the agencies here have no reference nor do they do their part in the community and respond to ref requests.


dont pay vip memberships at the strip clubs unless youre there more than once a week. make friends with the cocktail waitresses. they often hold the champagne rooms after the customers leave for several hours and charge the strippers/customers 40 bucks for 30/40mins of usage.

[Ogre2002]

That sounds like a good idea. I lost interest when they jacked the price up. The K orgs got greedy and lost alot of clientele. If they showed any loyalty to there customers( pretending to appreciate them) they would not have to worry about busts. This is also because new owners come in after not purchasing biz and need to recoup losses. Basically playing musical chairs and hoping they are not in the hot seat on the next bust. Sugar babies have proved to be way more fun and rewarding after you put in some time. Maybe the real solution is to abandon the broken system! Use your big head. Stay safe out ther gents.

[mrZz]

the best store front cover up i ve heard of was a story i heard from california
they opened up chiropractor offices as store fronts
paid a legit chiropractor to sign off on the lease and whatever docs
and operated as a brothel. bro was making 20k a month just signing off docs and showing up whenever inspection was due, there was multiple offices.
got busted due to something stupid, i forgot what. mightve been tax stuff

[mrZz]

Originally Posted by Ogre2002

That sounds like a good idea. I lost interest when they jacked the price up. The K orgs got greedy and lost alot of clientele. If they showed any loyalty to there customers( pretending to appreciate them) they would not have to worry about busts. This is also because new owners come in after not purchasing biz and need to recoup losses. Basically playing musical chairs and hoping they are not in the hot seat on the next bust. Sugar babies have proved to be way more fun and rewarding after you put in some time. Maybe the real solution is to abandon the broken system! Use your big head. Stay safe out ther gents.

bruhhhh,
i got reported by someone on SA, obviously one of the rejected sb. but its impossible to make a new account, 2020 was baddass year for me.

[CT$odGwn]

Originally Posted by mrZz

i dont have much info on the first recent bust with kfest and sunflower, i was out of the scene but what i did know was screening was a joke. they operated literally like a spa, took every client.
back when i was trying to get screened in LA, no one answered my emails or textsfor days, i had to ask my atf at the time to get me through the screening.


the agencies here have no reference nor do they do their part in the community and respond to ref requests.


dont pay vip memberships at the strip clubs unless youre there more than once a week. make friends with the cocktail waitresses. they often hold the champagne rooms after the customers leave for several hours and charge the strippers/customers 40 bucks for 30/40mins of usage.

I hope the screening was a joke and I hope they actually kept no history. I think it is beneficial for the people who operate the studios to have minimal record so they won't be used against them.

[mrZz]

everything gets deleted
however, nothing really gets deleted until it get pushed out of the phones recycling bin. i heard of files getting pulled out of the recycling after several months or even years in divorce cases. mostly text messages, which is what we use.


easy screening is also bad. LE can get access easy as well.

[CT$odGwn]

Originally Posted by Ogre2002

That sounds like a good idea. I lost interest when they jacked the price up. The K orgs got greedy and lost alot of clientele. If they showed any loyalty to there customers( pretending to appreciate them) they would not have to worry about busts. This is also because new owners come in after not purchasing biz and need to recoup losses. Basically playing musical chairs and hoping they are not in the hot seat on the next bust. Sugar babies have proved to be way more fun and rewarding after you put in some time. Maybe the real solution is to abandon the broken system! Use your big head. Stay safe out ther gents.

Right now, this business doesn’t need loyalty. It needs professionalism. In the current situation, girls won’t want to come to Dallas. Prices will have to increase to compensate for the risk. I think the rate might need to go up to 450/hr to revitalize the market. But a higher price should also come with a higher quality of service. The girls should not only be better, younger, and hotter, but the entire operation should also be more professional and show a clear commitment to protecting clients’ privacy.

As for sugaring, I don’t know much about it, so you have my full attention. All I know is that it costs a small fortune just to have the chance to see a hot girl a few times a month. If the current price is already too expensive, wouldn’t sugaring be four or five times more costly?

[CT$odGwn]

Originally Posted by mrZz

everything gets deleted
however, nothing really gets deleted until it get pushed out of the phones recycling bin. i heard of files getting pulled out of the recycling after several months or even years in divorce cases. mostly text messages, which is what we use.


easy screening is also bad. LE can get access easy as well.

Thank you for the insight. I think what you said reinforces my argument that the entire operation needs to be redesigned. There are tools available that can solve many of these problems. For example, many messaging apps allow messages to disappear. All the studios need to know is whether a person is a real, trustworthy customer. This is a simple yes-or-no answer. Nothing else needs to be stored on the studio’s side. It seems P411 handled this pretty well. P411 appears to conduct some background checks on clients. I’m not saying studios should go as far as P411, but I do think they should invest some resources into researching a better solution. The current system is too outdated. With so many busts happening, I simply can’t trust it anymore.

This is a classic computer security problem — minimal trust verification. I’m sure there are security experts who can provide highly professional solutions. For example, I think studios could ask customers to use 2FA for verification at each visit. There are 2FA apps that work entirely offline. The studio could ask the customer to provide the current 2FA code each time they book a service. This code can change every five minutes.

[CT$odGwn]

Or maybe the studios could operate in a way similar to pachinko parlors in Japan. A pachinko parlor is basically a casino, but it doesn’t give out cash rewards. Instead, it offers “gifts” that can immediately be sold for cash at a shop next door.

For the studios, they could have stores that sell small items (a token of some kind, like casino chips, using RFID to verify authenticity) for hundreds of dollars each. The law forbids paying money for sex, but it never says that a person can’t give an expensive gift to a girl — and that the gift might make her so happy she decides to sleep with him.

[mrZz]

hahahhah i didnt get banned id wouldnt be hittin the studios