AWESOME U.S.S. Donald J. Trump class Battleships !!

[Levianon17]

I doubt it ever gets completed.

[MisterMeat]

Trump class battleships. Guaranteed to go bankrupt within one year of being launched.

[69in2it69]

Originally Posted by CG2014

If the U.S. Navy can name one of the upcoming Gerald R. Ford Class carrier U.S.S. William J. Clinton, then they can name a class of Battleship after Donald J. Trump.




https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...s-names-214385

Naming a ship and naming a CLASS of ships is not the same thing. I'm not sure what your point was.
Right from your article.... The Navy has announced the names for the next two Ford-class aircraft carriers:

[Mort Watt]

I love this thread. Both Salty and the OP have had serious reality checks ripping up their their cheerleading for this propaganda.

These "awesome" ships are only concepts, no matter how pretty the artwork is (and to me....it looks like the work of a failed comic book artist).

China say "here is big bunch of hypersonic missiles at once. Suck on that, round eye."

$12 Billion goes to Davey Jone's locker....

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[texassapper]

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

Naming a ship and naming a CLASS of ships is not the same thing. I'm not sure what your point was.
Right from your article.... The Navy has announced the names for the next two Ford-class aircraft carriers:

It IS the same thing for the lead ship of the class.

Personally I'd prefer if we returned to tradition....

CVN-80 Absolutely should be the big E, but Miller should be renamed for Yorktown, Hornet, Saratoga, Lexington... any of our traditional names...

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by pxmcc

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i don't pretend to be an expert on the subject, but maybe some actual experts can weigh in if this is a good use of limited military funds. ...

I've found this guy incredibly reliable with what he post about the navy and history. I see and read his research work, which can be found within the link. Maggies won't like the guy though.

Originally Posted by CG2014

Still better than the Little Crappy Ships that they decommissioned 4-5 of them when they were still fairly new and unused; then they built 21 more of the same Little Crappy Ships to replace the 4-5 Little Crappy Ships they decommissioned.


The entire Little Crappy Ships program has cost an estimated $22 billion.


The Zumwalt program has cost an estimated $24.5 billion.





If the U.S. Navy can name one of the upcoming Gerald R. Ford Class carrier U.S.S. William J. Clinton, then they can name a class of Battleship after Donald J. Trump.


https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...s-names-214385

If it is the same as the past, those little crappy ships do the unsung grunt work of the sea in carrier groups. WWII Destroyers were the eyes in looking out for threats like submarines and they shielded valuable assets and took the hit from torpedoes instead of a carrier. Those that worked on the old Destroyer Escorts were the hardest working lot on the sea. Taffy 3 will show that.

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Naval warfare is outdated. If this new Golden Fleet boat is “100 times more powerful” than current fleet, it’s still an oceangoing vessel. Meaning slow.

Yet another Trump jerkoff.

They do look somewhat like a TACO though…

I wouldn't say it is outdated. It is nice to find a place to call USA halfway around the world. Especially in hostile territory. Nothing project power than being able to control the battlespace where you are doing that projecting.

Originally Posted by MisterMeat

Trump class battleships. Guaranteed to go bankrupt within one year of being launched.

LOL!

[69in2it69]

Originally Posted by texassapper

It IS the same thing for the lead ship of the class.

Personally I'd prefer if we returned to tradition....

CVN-80 Absolutely should be the big E, but Miller should be renamed for Yorktown, Hornet, Saratoga, Lexington... any of our traditional names...

Operational Readiness

• 2035 and Beyond: The first ships are expected to be operational, contributing to the Navy's capabilities with advanced weaponry and strategic roles.

Trump will be dead, gone, and a shit stain on American history. I highly doubt if these every splash the then current administration will name the first ship for the WORST US President of all time.


Not to mention, to meet near that timeline it'll need to be built in Korea. Maybe the lead ship will be Bulgogi...

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

If it is the same as the past, those little crappy ships do the unsung grunt work of the sea in carrier groups. WWII Destroyers were the eyes in looking out for threats like submarines and they shielded valuable assets and took the hit from torpedoes instead of a carrier. Those that worked on the old Destroyer Escorts were the hardest working lot on the sea. Taffy 3 will show that.

Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors by Hornfischer is an amazing read if you are interested in Taffy 3s fight...

It would make an incredible film but Hollywood isn't interested in White American guys winning anything.

But to your point... its not the same. Fleets don't need destroyer class vessels and if they did the LCS sure as shit ain't it. They were designed because some fcukwad admiral thought we'd never have to fight in the blue water again.

Waste of money and time. Same as the Constellation class frigates... we can't even build a fcuking ship anymore.

[CG2014]

yup, Sapper.


Now it takes forever to build one ship because of all the red tape and the corruption and everyone wants a $lice of it including all the different companies involved in the construction and supply of material to the construction, admirals, vice admirals and big wigs in the Pentagon and a few corrupt congress folks!

At the start of World War 2, the U.S. Navy had 7 aircraft carriers (don't forget the U.S. Navy Atlantic Fleet).

By the end of World War 2, in less than 4 years, the U.S. Navy had 122 Escort carriers, 28 Fleet carriers, 23 battleships, 59 cruisers, 425 destroyers, 400 destroyer-escorts, 237 subs and 54,000 landing craft and assault ships.


Plus 2.710 Liberty Cargo Ships that were being completed at the rate of 3 every 2 days.

[pxmcc]

^^gee, i don't know if present-day China could even match that..

the current state of affairs has much to do with us offshoring our domestic industrial production. it also bodes ill for us in any long war with China; we have no civilian industry to speak of to convert over.

the present numerical superiority of China's navy is not a trivial matter either.

will Trump's battleships be a game changer? i wouldn't bet on it. especially if he's involved in the design details, which will undoubtedly involve an abundance of gold trim..

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by pxmcc

^^gee, i don't know if present-day China could even match that..

the current state of affairs has much to do with us offshoring our domestic industrial production. it also bodes ill for us in any long war with China; we have no civilian industry to speak of to convert over.

the present numerical superiority of China's navy is not a trivial matter either.

will Trump's battleships be a game changer? i wouldn't bet on it. especially if he's involved in the design details, which will undoubtedly involve an abundance of gold trim..

Don’t forget the physics of it all.

Does shit float?

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

If it is the same as the past, those little crappy ships do the unsung grunt work of the sea in carrier groups. WWII Destroyers were the eyes in looking out for threats like submarines and they shielded valuable assets and took the hit from torpedoes instead of a carrier. Those that worked on the old Destroyer Escorts were the hardest working lot on the sea. Taffy 3 will show that. ...

Originally Posted by texassapper

Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors by Hornfischer is an amazing read if you are interested in Taffy 3s fight...

It would make an incredible film but Hollywood isn't interested in White American guys winning anything.

But to your point... its not the same. Fleets don't need destroyer class vessels and if they did the LCS sure as shit ain't it. They were designed because some fcukwad admiral thought we'd never have to fight in the blue water again.

Waste of money and time. Same as the Constellation class frigates... we can't even build a fcuking ship anymore.

Yes, "If". I don't keep up with the Janes book or USN publications. Hence the "if" and reference to the past.

I have a few Hornfischer books in the library. And a couple of other sources that only glossed over the encounter.

And Hollywood has already made a few movies with the hunter/hunted theme with DD/DE and submarines. The Enemy Below and Greyhound. The latter will probably met by you dismissively.

As I said, I don't know current naval tactics and such. But they still invest in Destroyers. So, if the roll has not changed...

The one thing though, we have to project power. And carrier groups do this well. But with the mixed signals coming from the WH, it seems we are ceding (sp) hard fought ground and water ways. And that is squarely on donnys shoulders.

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Don’t forget the physics of it all.

Does shit float?

Trumpy Bowl Man?

[Brot]

Be interesting to follow the money and contracts involved.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Brot

Be interesting to follow the money and contracts involved.

Indeed. And the corruption at the heart of this egotistical boondoggle.

Golden Fleet my ass.

[Precious_b]

Ah, that is a whole other can of worms when it comes to the Pentagon grab all with military spending. They can actually give the orange blob a run for the money on that one, pun intended.