If this is not insurrection . . .

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

So then, no one has an example for insurrection on the right except for Jan 6th?

C'mon now. This is a merged thread. All acts of insurrection have been deemed to be on-topic.

What else ya got?

Again Insurrection really needs to be narrowly defined and addressed only in extreme circumstances.

Else simply refusing to enforce a law can be considered insurrection under your definition.

When “constitutional” sheriffs refuse to enforce some gun laws that they disagree with is that insurrection?

By their own admission they are refusing to enforce a law that they believe to be illegal.

https://apnews.com/article/constitut...de8a098ed14210
“The sheriff is supposed to be protecting the public from evil,” the chief law enforcement officer for Barry County, Michigan, said during a break in the National Sheriffs’ Association 2023 conference in June. “When your government is evil or out of line, that’s what the sheriff is there for, protecting them from that.”

Leaf is on the advisory board of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, founded in 2011 by former Arizona sheriff Richard Mack. The group, known as CSPOA, teaches that elected sheriffs must “protect their citizens from the overreach of an out-of-control federal government” by refusing to enforce any law they deem unconstitutional or “unjust.”

“The safest way to actually achieve that is to have local law enforcement understand that they have no obligation to enforce such laws,” Mack said in an interview. “They’re not laws at all anyway. If they’re unjust laws, they are laws of tyranny.”

[Jacuzzme]

If this is real it’s extremely dangerous. Anyone doing it should be locked up for a long time and made an example of.

[CPT Savajo]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

This forum has examined the events of Jan 6th, 2020 in detail. That is not the topic of this thread.

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There have been many confrontations between agents of the Immigration Customs Enforcement agency in the past few weeks. These confrontations have been characterized by the mainstream press as "protests", mostly peaceful or otherwise. We can, and have, quibble over what these interactions are called.

However, there are calls from local and regional officials for the agents of law enforcement under their authority toresst and even impede the efforts of Federal Lawmwn (and women) to enforce Federal laws within their jurisdictions.

A Mayor or Governor who issues orders that impede or oppose the actions of Federal law enforcement, whether they are ICE agents, FBI, or MPs from a nationalized National Guard unit, are\, in my view are, themselves, insurrectionists.

This is what a failed state or banana republic looks like. The nation works against itself wasting resources and time and that's what everyone is witnessing in this clown world that is America. The American people cannot put their blind faith in Democrat or Republican leadership to solve the problems that America has.

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

So adulterating the gasoline of ICE vehicles is grounds for the president to invoke the insurrection act?

I disagree.

Really? Were they pissing in the tanks?

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Such as entering the capitol with the intent of stopping congress from performing their duty. That seems pretty blatant.

Yeah. That pretty much is blatant. *BUT* not according to the maggie playbook. They are allowed to do what they please and no one else.

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

No. It's because YOUR people are physically attacking ICE agents. And morons like Pritzker, AOC, Waters, they call for more of this. That's called assault. But of course you ignore the facts.

*YOUR* people? There you are hanging labels AGAIN. I'm sure you're screwing it up for him just like you repeatedly did for me.

*I* have no problem with people protesting.

*I* have a problem with people who don't identify themselves, want me to submit to the will of unknown people, they are masked, and they are armed to the teeth.

And to think people will call those that are against the above insurectionist (sp)....
No, those people are trying to preserve a democracy under threat.

When these so called agents start following civil law by identifying themselves, show cause, don't hide their personal identity (undercover agents don't do these operations) than you will more than likely find things will change.

[Lantern2814]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

Really? Were they pissing in the tanks?



Yeah. That pretty much is blatant. *BUT* not according to the maggie playbook. They are allowed to do what they please and no one else.



*YOUR* people? There you are hanging labels AGAIN. I'm sure you're screwing it up for him just like you repeatedly did for me.

*I* have no problem with people protesting.

*I* have a problem with people who don't identify themselves, want me to submit to the will of unknown people, they are masked, and they are armed to the teeth.

And to think people will call those that are against the above insurectionist (sp)....
No, those people are trying to preserve a democracy under threat.

When these so called agents start following civil law by identifying themselves, show cause, don't hide their personal identity (undercover agents don't do these operations) than you will more than likely find things will change.

News flash. It's NOT people on the right assaulting ICE officers. Funny how you claim these people don't identify themselves (yet somehow everybody knows who they are when they assault them) , don't show cause (arresting and detaining illegals is their JOB), don't show their personal identity (so the left can dox them and the agents and their families then get death threats). Preserve democracy? What a joke. Again, 80% of people want criminal illegals deported. But by all means remain on the wrong side of another 80-20 issue.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

News flash. It's NOT people on the right assaulting ICE officers. Funny how you claim these people don't identify themselves (yet somehow everybody knows who they are when they assault them) , don't show cause (arresting and detaining illegals is their JOB), don't show their personal identity (so the left can dox them and the agents and their families then get death threats). Preserve democracy? What a joke. Again, 80% of people want criminal illegals deported. But by all means remain on the wrong side of another 80-20 issue.

I think the problem is the definition of “criminal” illegals.

I don’t believe that 80% of people see children and daca recipients and some refugees as criminals worthy of being deported.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

I think the problem is the definition of “criminal” illegals.

I don’t believe that 80% of people see children and daca recipients and some refugees as criminals worthy of being deported.

the problem is you think illegals aren't criminals



they are, every single one of them

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

So then, no one has an example for insurrection on the right except for Jan 6th?

C'mon now. This is a merged thread. All acts of insurrection have been deemed to be on-topic.

What else ya got?

That all depends on your definition of "insurrection," "left" and "right." The attempted overthrow of Gretchen Whitmer might be one we can all agree on.

If you define the right as including white supremacists (which I don't), people like me who want to end extortionate taxation, and people like me who want to end out-of-control law enforcement, then the following may fit the bill.

The American Revolution
The Whiskey Rebellion
The Know Nothing Movement
The Confederate Secession
Reconstrution massacres led by the KKK et al
Waco and the subsequent Oklahoma City Bombing
Ruby Ridge

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by CPT Savajo

This is what a failed state or banana republic looks like. The nation works against itself wasting resources and time and that's what everyone is witnessing in this clown world that is America. The American people cannot put their blind faith in Democrat or Republican leadership to solve the problems that America has.

I I am in general agreement with the above statement.

How does that statement pertain to the topic of insurrection?

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by Tiny

That all depends on your definition of "insurrection," "left" and "right." The attempted overthrow of Gretchen Whitmer might be one we can all agree on.

If you define the right as including white supremacists (which I don't), people like me who want to end extortionate taxation, and people like me who want to end out-of-control law enforcement, then the following may fit the bill.

The American Revolution
The Whiskey Rebellion
The Know Nothing Movement
The Confederate Secession
Reconstrution massacres led by the KKK et al
Waco and the subsequent Oklahoma City Bombing
Ruby Ridge

And how many of these reflect the sentiments and consequent actions of the progressive left in opposing the efforts of the Trump administration in repatriation of foreign nationals?

American Revolution: Allows us to have this discussion at all today. Meanwhile, even though it is 250 years later on, some twelve thousand have been imprisoned for expressing dissatisfaction with the tax laws in the UK. . . .just for writing in. opposition online even.

The Whiskey Rebellion was a tax issue that was resolved through force at the direction of President Washington. ./ . . we have to pay taxes enacted through Congress.. . . .or repeal those laws.

The cession of confederate states was put down through military force with the resultant abolishment of slavery I the US.

"The KKK et al was a Democrat institution of oppression and opposition up through recent times. One of its m ore recognizable leaders was Senator Robert Byrd ((D. West Virginia)

My recollection of both Waco and Ruby Ridge were that they were not insurrections in the sense that the above instances were. The Ruby Ridge guy was found to be not guilty for one thing.

The Oklahoma City bomber had PTSD. He was found guilty of mass murder or something similar.

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

News flash. It's NOT people on the right assaulting ICE officers. Funny how you claim these people don't identify themselves (yet somehow everybody knows who they are when they assault them) , don't show cause (arresting and detaining illegals is their JOB), don't show their personal identity (so the left can dox them and the agents and their families then get death threats). Preserve democracy? What a joke. Again, 80% of people want criminal illegals deported. But by all means remain on the wrong side of another 80-20 issue.

Did I state it was the people on the right assaulting ICE officers? Pull up where I stated that specifically.

New flash for you: I did not. So, stop pushing whatever agenda you got with that.

And yes, I do stand by that claim you reference. But i'd like you to supply proof that people know who they are when they take action against what I claim.

Can you show me where I stated it is NOT their job arresting and detaining illegals?

But since you claim they are doing "their job", why don't you post about a half dozen videos where they arrive a the subjects residence or job, introduce AND identify themselves. produce the warrant.

I would have no problem with them if they followed the basics of civil rights. And as I stated, they do not work in an undercover means. Hence, showing basic decency would lead to no issues with doxing. Until ALL law enforment peoples hide their identity, your dox statement is null UNLESS you are abusing a persons rights. Than *YOU* have a problem that you are intentionally hiding yourself because you know you are wrong.

So, i'll be waiting for the videos I asked for since they should be very easy to find with all that are being posted.

And to be clear: find where I stated I don't want criminals (not the speeders, misdemeaner sorts) that don't have legal status to be booted.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

And how many of these reflect the sentiments and consequent actions of the progressive left in opposing the efforts of the Trump administration in repatriation of foreign nationals?

American Revolution: Allows us to have this discussion at all today. Meanwhile, even though it is 250 years later on, some twelve thousand have been imprisoned for expressing dissatisfaction with the tax laws in the UK. . . .just for writing in. opposition online even.

The Whiskey Rebellion was a tax issue that was resolved through force at the direction of President Washington. ./ . . we have to pay taxes enacted through Congress.. . . .or repeal those laws.

The cession of confederate states was put down through military force with the resultant abolishment of slavery I the US.

"The KKK et al was a Democrat institution of oppression and opposition up through recent times. One of its m ore recognizable leaders was Senator Robert Byrd ((D. West Virginia)

My recollection of both Waco and Ruby Ridge were that they were not insurrections in the sense that the above instances were. The Ruby Ridge guy was found to be not guilty for one thing.

The Oklahoma City bomber had PTSD. He was found guilty of mass murder or something similar.

McVeigh had PTSD? he was executed.