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Old Yesterday, 09:54 PM   #46
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oh more blaming the victim- great. I'd say you'd be one of the guys who blame a women for getting pregnant, despite the guy not pulling out.

In the case of FRAUD- did the bank create the fraud by relying on the documents to be a fair and truthful representation, or was it the applicant who LIED on the forms and financial documents.

You guys don't know the difference between the perpetrators vs. the victims. better go watch some more episodes of Law & Order.


It's absolutely insane that NONE of you will hold the liar in chief responsible for his bullshit.
What victim, the loans were repaid in full according to the terms.
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Old Yesterday, 10:06 PM   #47
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What victim, the loans were repaid in full according to the terms.
Fraud? Where?

Were Trumps numbers approved by a bank or did he really inflate his net worth?

Please, show me the numbers?

Seems this needs the Minority Report, 2 Wolves attack Trump, but nobody is there to defend him.

Democracy at its best.
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Old Yesterday, 11:19 PM   #48
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What victim, the loans were repaid in full according to the terms.

the terms proposed by Deutsche bank not Trump and accepted by Trump


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Fraud? Where?

Were Trumps numbers approved by a bank or did he really inflate his net worth?

Please, show me the numbers?

Seems this needs the Minority Report, 2 Wolves attack Trump, but nobody is there to defend him.

Democracy at its best.

of course they were approved but the left would have you think the ignoramus that they claim is Trump somehow easily defrauded Deutsche bank a sophisticated global lender



so which is it? is Trump a Lex Luthor master criminal or an ignoramus?


either answer makes the left look like the lawfare fools they are
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Fraud? Where?

Were Trumps numbers approved by a bank or did he really inflate his net worth?

Please, show me the numbers?

Seems this needs the Minority Report, 2 Wolves attack Trump, but nobody is there to defend him.

Democracy at its best.
The appeals court threw out the fine but kept the other penalties. In a four to one ruling they confirmed the fraud ruling.

Read the court transcripts for the details. I’m sure they are online somewhere.
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People who say things like this really don’t get it. Lying on your financial documents to fool the other party is fraud. It doesn’t matter if anyone was hurt or not. This is the kind of greedy unethical behavior that led to the mortgage crisis in 2008 and created a worldwide recession.

It’s not “Good Business”. It’s morally reprehensible and thinking that it’s OK just means you have the ethics of a used car salesman.

Our RedHat friends think it's only a crime if a defendant besides the state brings charges.. lots of times the offense raises charges when they cannot financially defend or by some proxy defend inaccuracies, or that government laws are the bigger affected parties. Just like a drunk driver ...they didn't kill you cut could have. The rest of the crimes have been outlined. You redhatted small minded morons think it only is fraud when individuals get injuries. Doesn't happen on large purchases in many cases, yet a discount of 1/2- 1 whole point interest or the valuation of collateral based on a subjective review vs objective review is what are damaging. It's not did Trump pay back at 6% but his real plan should have been based at 8.5% instead of what ever. Liars cannot be trusted ...and Trump wasnt After reviewed by prosecutors. He cheated , he got caught....did he default...no but I'd he had, And almost did in 2019 on several..that would be grounds for further crimes....if your RedHat doesn't let you see that as criminal.....too bad for you. But not too bad for New Yorkers who expect fair deals and interest rates that meet the terms .....it is what it is.
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People who say things like this really don’t get it. Lying on your financial documents to fool the other party is fraud. It doesn’t matter if anyone was hurt or not. This is the kind of greedy unethical behavior that led to the mortgage crisis in 2008 and created a worldwide recession.

It’s not “Good Business”. It’s morally reprehensible and thinking that it’s OK just means you have the ethics of a used car salesman.

Our RedHat friends think it's only a crime if a defendant besides the state brings charges.. lots of times the offense raises charges when they cannot financially defend or by some proxy defend inaccuracies, or that government laws are the bigger affected parties. Just like a drunk driver ...they didn't kill you cut could have. The rest of the crimes have been outlined. You redhatted small minded morons think it only is fraud when individuals get injuries. Doesn't happen on large purchases in many cases, yet a discount of 1/2- 1 whole point interest or the valuation of collateral based on a subjective review vs objective review is what are damaging. It's not did Trump pay back at 6% but his real plan should have been based at 8.5% instead of what ever. Liars cannot be trusted ...and Trump wasnt After reviewed by prosecutors. He cheated , he got caught....did he default...no but I'd he had, And almost did in 2019 on several..that would be grounds for further crimes.

The day Donald Trump left the White House, his business was facing $900 million of debt coming due in the next four years. Working through those loans would have been a significant undertaking for any firm, but the Trump Organization was contending with additional challenges. Deutsche Bank, Trump’s longtime lender, was reportedly looking to end its relationship with the real estate mogul. Two other financial institutions, Signature Bank and Professional Bank, had spread the word that they were cutting ties in the wake of January

...if your RedHat doesn't let you see that as criminal.....too bad for you. But not too bad for New Yorkers who expect fair deals and interest rates that meet the terms .....it is what it is.
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