Can Trump pull off the deal of the century?

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

A few thoughts from Bret Stephens on neo-conservatism that I agree with.

Have the neocons found those WMDs yet?

[1blackman1]

Ranks up there with ending the Russo-Ukraine war on day one.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by texassapper

Have the neocons found those WMDs yet?

No but there is a significant difference between regime change and assisting a sovereign country in defending itself against invasion.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

No but there is a significant difference between regime change and assisting a sovereign country in defending itself against invasion.

yes... which came first?

Victoria Nuland, the former U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs, played a central role in the events leading to the ousting of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych in February 2014. She is described as the "mastermind" behind the regime change, actively plotting the overthrow of the democratically elected government while promoting the narrative that the event was a victory for democracy rather than a coup.
Her involvement included direct discussions with U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt about selecting post-coup leaders, notably stating that Arseniy Yatsenyuk was "the guy" to lead the new government.
A leaked phone call between Nuland and Pyatt revealed her frustration with the EU's approach, where she reportedly said "Fuck the EU," indicating a preference for a more direct U.S. strategy to shape the outcome.
The events culminated in the Ukrainian parliament voting to remove Yanukovych from office on February 22, 2014, following deadly clashes and the signing of an agreement on February 21 that Yanukovych had initially accepted.

Role in the 2014 Revolution of Dignity:
Nuland was a key figure in the U.S.-backed effort to support the opposition during the Euromaidan protests, which began in November 2013 in response to Yanukovych's decision not to sign an association agreement with the European Union.
Her actions, including direct involvement in selecting leadership and pushing for a specific political outcome, were central to the events that led to Yanukovych's removal.

Controversial Narrative and Propaganda:
The U.S. and its allies, including Nuland, were accused of systematically downplaying the role of far-right and neo-Nazi groups like the Right Sector and the Azov Battalion in the uprising and the subsequent conflict in eastern Ukraine.
This was done to present the new Ukrainian government as a legitimate democratic force resisting Russian aggression, a narrative that faced increasing scrutiny as evidence of the far-right's influence emerged.

Aftermath and Legacy:
The removal of Yanukovych led to the annexation of Crimea by Russia, the outbreak of the war in Donbas, and the eventual election of Petro Poroshenko as president.
The events are widely seen as having significantly escalated tensions between Russia and the West, with Nuland's actions being a focal point of criticism, particularly from Russian officials who labeled the events a "coup".

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by texassapper

yes... which came first?

You’re quoting russian propaganda.

Did the euromaidan protests arrive organically or were they masterminded by Victoria Nuland and the west?

I know which one I believe. This type of uprising is the fear at the root of Putin’s invasion. He doesn’t want a democratic revolutionary government in power right next door giving an example to the people of Russia that things can change.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan

Euromaidan or the Maidan Uprising was a wave of demonstrations and civil unrest in Ukraine, which began on 21 November 2013 with large protests in Maidan Nezalezhnosti (Independence Square) in Kyiv.

The protests were sparked by President Viktor Yanukovych's sudden decision not to sign the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement, instead choosing closer ties to Russia and the Eurasian Economic Union.

Ukraine's parliament had overwhelmingly approved of finalizing the Agreement with the EU but Russia had put pressure on Ukraine to reject it.

The scope of the protests widened, with calls for the resignation of Yanukovych and the Azarov government.

Protesters opposed what they saw as widespread government corruption, abuse of power, human rights violations, and the influence of oligarchs.

Transparency International named Yanukovych as the top example of corruption in the world. The violent dispersal of protesters on 30 November caused further anger.

was the largest democratic mass movement in Europe since 1989 and led to the 2014 Revolution of Dignity.

[texassapper]

LOL.... yeah Did Vicki have anything to do with it? yes or No?

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Then you’re not listening. They said exactly what I stated.

... They weren't sayin' that Yesterday...

#### Salty

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

No. They are there for the exact opposite reason, they know he is clueless.

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... And yet - that's NOT what those World Leaders
are saying.

#### Salty

Oh. The world leaders spoke LOUDLY when pooty showed up.
You just didn't listen.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

Oh. The world leaders spoke LOUDLY when pooty showed up.
You just didn't listen.

... Oh, WE listened loud and clear - me and President Trump.

And Trump is of course gonna continue to negotiate a
peaceful resolution of the conflict.

... Try not to soil yerself and cry when that happens.

#### Salty

[Precious_b]

See. Didn't listen. Rest of world did.

Thanks for illuminating the obvious for us.