nothing reply anything you want

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by rooster

Yer...OXYGEN...is one big wet fart from your lard-ass leader. And he's holding all of our heads under the blanket.

ALL of us get to suffocate under another $3 Trillion added to Public Debt. But don't take my word for it. Or CNN's. Or even Murdoch's Wall Street Journal (even though they say this too).

Here it is straight from the source:

CBO estimates that debt-service costs increase the bill's cumulative effect on the deficit to $3.0 trillion.

And much of that debt goes to benefit the top 1 percent. Again. And y'all fall for this over and over and over and over and....

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and you make this false claim over and over ...



IRS data proves Trump tax cuts benefited middle, working-class Americans most

https://www.yahoo.com/news/irs-data-...ycsrp_catchall




thank you valued poster

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

and you make this false claim over and over ...

IRS data proves Trump tax cuts benefited middle, working-class Americans most

https://www.yahoo.com/news/irs-data-...ycsrp_catchall

thank you valued poster

Yep, at the expense of the poor and the national debt. Some how that’s always left out when discussing Tax Cuts.

[rooster]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

and you make this false claim over and over ...



IRS data proves Trump tax cuts benefited middle, working-class Americans most

Nope. Ya stepped on yer dick here, fell for a puff piece, got this totally wrong.

My claim is not false. You quote a news article that misrepresents "income percentage data" to obfuscate who is benefitting the most from the increased debt load. You also are not considering the whole package.

Just expanding the "pass through" deduction and increasing the threshold for the estate tax will account for about $1 Trillion, almost a third of the increase in debt. The top 1 percent make 70 percent of "pass through" income.

According to an analysis by the University of Chicago (and funded by the U.S. Treasury!), the richest 0.1 percent of taxpayers will see their incomes rise from this by more than $120,000 annually, on average.

The increase in threshold for estate taxes is equally skewed. It doubles to $30 Million for couples. Only about 0.1 percent of estates benefit from that. An additional $15 Million of their estate now goes UNTAXED. I doubt that this benefits anyone that is on this Board.

There is also a lower top marginal tax rate. Households in the Top 1 percent will see an after-tax increase in tax savings of about $45K.

Your "claim" just rests on the fact that there are a shit-load more poor people than rich people. And that their incomes are lower, so they get a bigger "percentage" of savings relative to their income.

So yeah, they get more overall, as a group. But the people really benefitting are the super rich. To the tune of $1 Trillion dollars. Distributed to a tiny segment of the population.

And you get to help pay for it!

Now...we haven't even BEGUN to address the inequities in who is hurt most by Medicaid cuts, etc. We will all be paying for that too, not just the people who lose coverage.

The GOP is lying to you about who benefits the most from this.

Just like they are lying about how much this is all going to cost.

But again....y'all fall for this over and over and over and over....

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[Lantern2814]

Wrong again. Every study showed that 80% of taxpayers saw a tax reduction under the Trump tax cuts. Basic math also says that ANY adjusting of rates will see disproportionate numbers when rich people get included. They have more money. You just hate middle class (and rich) people getting to keep more of THEIR money. Medicaid cuts? No. It's forcing young, healthy, working age people to actually (gasp, the horror) get jobs and work. Medicaid was supposed to be for the elderly and low income people. You just keep buying the lies YOUR party has been spreading about this bill. And you just keep falling for it. Cue the personal attacks and insults....

[offshoredrilling]

[rooster]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

Wrong again. Every study showed that 80% of taxpayers saw a tax reduction under the Trump tax cuts. Basic math also says that ANY adjusting of rates will see disproportionate numbers when rich people get included. They have more money. You just hate middle class (and rich) people getting to keep more of THEIR money. Medicaid cuts? No. It's forcing young, healthy, working age people to actually (gasp, the horror) get jobs and work. Medicaid was supposed to be for the elderly and low income people. You just keep buying the lies YOUR party has been spreading about this bill. And you just keep falling for it. Cue the personal attacks and insults....

RDS

You are ruled by it these days. Triggers virtually all of your posts.

(you already know what the “D” and “S” stand for. The first word ends in “ooster”...yer welcome in advance for the hint)

Do you ever actually read what you post?

You basically just repeated what I said in your first four sentences.

Supported my argument.

Then conclude….. that I hate people who aren’t rich keeping more of their money.

Even though my post was really about...how much I hate that they are going to keep less, in the end.

Incredible logic.

I don’t even need to respond to the rest. You make yourself look far worse than I ever could.

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[Lantern2814]

Originally Posted by rooster

RDS

You are ruled by it these days. Triggers virtually all of your posts.

(you already know what the “D” and “S” stand for. The first word ends in “ooster”...yer welcome in advance for the hint)

Do you ever actually read what you post?

You basically just repeated what I said in your first four sentences.

Supported my argument.

Then conclude….. that I hate people who aren’t rich keeping more of their money.

Even though my post was really about...how much I hate that they are going to keep less, in the end.

Incredible logic.

I don’t even need to respond to the rest. You make yourself look far worse than I ever could.

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As expected. Nothing but insults and lies. Seems it's you who has trouble reading. Tax cuts mean the middle class (working people, something you don't know about) keep more of THEIR money. Elementary meth. Noting you totally run away from the destruction of your lies about Medicaid cuts. Keep making yourself look bad.

[rooster]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

As expected. Nothing but insults and lies. Seems it's you who has trouble reading. Tax cuts mean the middle class (working people, something you don't know about) keep more of THEIR money. Elementary meth. Noting you totally run away from the destruction of your lies about Medicaid cuts. Keep making yourself look bad.

SHOW ME WHERE I HAVE LIED.

You say this in the National forum that you followed me to also.

Show me this math.

Just do it.

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[Lantern2814]

Originally Posted by rooster

SHOW ME WHERE I HAVE LIED.

You say this in the National forum that you followed me to also.

Show me this math.

Just do it.

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Somebody's mad. LOL. Already done. And crying about "following you". When it's YOU who has to respond to EVERY post I make. Even name dropping me in posts to others. For the hundredth time, not interested. Again, when tax rates go down, people keep more of THEIR money. What's so hard about that? You want this bill killed, which would result in a huge tax HIKE for the middle class. TDS Stage 4 on full display.

[Lantern2814]

And the market went UP 400 points today. Seems nobody's buying the panic being sold by the left.

[JONBALLS]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

And the market went UP 400 points today. Seems nobody's buying the panic being sold by the left.

that and

grand opening

GatorTRAZ

for all those
\medicaid loosers

[rooster]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

Somebody's mad. LOL. Already done. And crying about "following you". When it's YOU who has to respond to EVERY post I make. Even name dropping me in posts to others. For the hundredth time, not interested. Again, when tax rates go down, people keep more of THEIR money. What's so hard about that? You want this bill killed, which would result in a huge tax HIKE for the middle class. TDS Stage 4 on full display.

Yeah...umm...you might want to check on that other place where this was "already done." Things maybe didn't go quite the way you planned.

And repeating your simplistic analysis of the BBB tax policy does not negate my argument one bit.

But that ain't why I'm bothering to respond.

I ask again. Show me where I lied.

I don't care if this was "done" elsewhere. You accused me of lying here.

Stop deflecting.

Show it. Here.

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[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by rooster

Nope. Ya stepped on yer dick here, fell for a puff piece, got this totally wrong.

My claim is not false. You quote a news article that misrepresents "income percentage data" to obfuscate who is benefitting the most from the increased debt load. You also are not considering the whole package.

Just expanding the "pass through" deduction and increasing the threshold for the estate tax will account for about $1 Trillion, almost a third of the increase in debt. The top 1 percent make 70 percent of "pass through" income.

According to an analysis by the University of Chicago (and funded by the U.S. Treasury!), the richest 0.1 percent of taxpayers will see their incomes rise from this by more than $120,000 annually, on average.

The increase in threshold for estate taxes is equally skewed. It doubles to $30 Million for couples. Only about 0.1 percent of estates benefit from that. An additional $15 Million of their estate now goes UNTAXED. I doubt that this benefits anyone that is on this Board.

There is also a lower top marginal tax rate. Households in the Top 1 percent will see an after-tax increase in tax savings of about $45K.

Your "claim" just rests on the fact that there are a shit-load more poor people than rich people. And that their incomes are lower, so they get a bigger "percentage" of savings relative to their income.

So yeah, they get more overall, as a group. But the people really benefitting are the super rich. To the tune of $1 Trillion dollars. Distributed to a tiny segment of the population.

And you get to help pay for it!

Now...we haven't even BEGUN to address the inequities in who is hurt most by Medicaid cuts, etc. We will all be paying for that too, not just the people who lose coverage.

The GOP is lying to you about who benefits the most from this.

Just like they are lying about how much this is all going to cost.

But again....y'all fall for this over and over and over and over....

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what a rambling mess. the rich are already rich. trying to claim the benefits by dollars goes to the already rich more than the middle class by sheer numbers doesn't disprove the fact that by percentage decrease in tax rates TrumpyBear's tax cuts benefited the middle class the most.


it amuses me watching the same old claims about tax cuts by Reagan and Trump only benefiting the rich.



try proving the IRS themselves wrong on this

[rooster]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

what a rambling mess. the rich are already rich. trying to claim the benefits by dollars goes to the already rich more than the middle class by sheer numbers doesn't disprove the fact that by percentage decrease in tax rates TrumpyBear's tax cuts benefited the middle class the most.

Wow. Rambling? Really? From....you? Pot meet kettle.

Your denial of what I posted is almost as egregious as...someone else's here. Yer cred is gettin stretched just a bit thin, and throwin in with them ain't gonna help it one damn bit.

Speaking of cred....I went easy on you above. REALLY. FUCKING. EASY.

Because I never pointed out that your "source" for your "analysis" of the BBB impacts was an article from 2021 comparing earlier tax reform bills to Biden's agenda!

Now...maybe that was even intentional. I shouldn't give you that benefit of the doubt. But for fun's sake, let's say it was.

Here's where the dick-stepping happened...

You are completely ignoring the SIGNIFICANT changes to the BBB that have negative impacts on revenue and the increased benefits to higher incomes from things like "pass through" income, business depreciation schedules, and a higher limit on SALT deductions.

YOU USED 4 YEAR OLD MATERIAL TO MAKE YOUR ARGUMENTS ABOUT CURRENT LEGISLATION.

(go back and look at the link, people...I ain't makin this shit up...a rare thing here)

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[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by rooster

Wow. Rambling? Really? From....you? Pot meet kettle.

Your denial of what I posted is almost as egregious as...someone else's here. Yer cred is gettin stretched just a bit thin, and throwin in with them ain't gonna help it one damn bit.

Speaking of cred....I went easy on you above. REALLY. FUCKING. EASY.

Because I never pointed out that your "source" for your "analysis" of the BBB impacts was an article from 2021 comparing earlier tax reform bills to Biden's agenda!

Now...maybe that was even intentional. I shouldn't give you that benefit of the doubt. But for fun's sake, let's say it was.

Here's where the dick-stepping happened...

You are completely ignoring the SIGNIFICANT changes to the BBB that have negative impacts on revenue and the increased benefits to higher incomes from things like "pass through" income, business depreciation schedules, and a higher limit on SALT deductions.

YOU USED 4 YEAR OLD MATERIAL TO MAKE YOUR ARGUMENTS ABOUT CURRENT LEGISLATION.

(go back and look at the link, people...I ain't makin this shit up...a rare thing here)

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you are aware that the bill would make the tax cuts permanent yes? so that benefit stays for the middle class. so tell me .. would you fuck the middle class and their tax breaks to stick it to the rich who are already carrying the debt of this country on their backs?


sounds like something george soros would do .. except for himself that is ..


bahahaha