The Trumpster's deportations

[lustylad]

You're showing your TDS... (again).

So... if trump had left Kilmar to rot in that Salvadoran prison, he'd be a fascist for ignoring a court order to "facilitate" the guy's return, right?

But when trump complies and brings him back, he's a pussy?

You can't win when you're dealing with TDS-infected armchair critics!

Trump figured ok, let's bring him back so we can show everyone just what a complete POS this guy Kilmar Abrego Garcia truly is. He's a wife-beating gangbanger and human trafficker who enriches the cartels and terrorizes the community he lives in.

Question - When did the Dimocrats become the party in favor of letting gangbangers, human traffickers, smugglers of (forbidden topic), and criminal terrorists run rampant throughout our country?

[tommy156]

Probably around the same time the Republicans became the party of wiping their asses with the U.S. Constitution on a daily basis.

[lustylad]

Off topic, tommy.

To get back on topic, let me remind you it was a dimocrat (Rep. Becca Balint, VT) who recently said we need to keep lots of illegals around in order to have someone to "wipe our asses".

Stay classy!!

https://www.foxbangor.com/news/natio...7cbf6806a.html

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Off topic, tommy.

To get back on topic, let me remind you it was a dimocrat (Rep. Becca Balint, VT) who recently said we need to keep lots of illegals around in order to have someone to "wipe our asses".

Stay classy!!

https://www.foxbangor.com/news/natio...7cbf6806a.html

I was perfectly on topic. The way trump is conducting these deportations is unconstitutional- i.e. without due process- i.e. ignoring the Constitution (or, put another way, he's wiping his ass with it).

I've said nothing here that's off topic.

[lustylad]

Is that why trump brought Kilmar back here? Because he wants to "ignore the Constitution"?

Do you agree with dimocrat Vermont Congresswoman Becca Balint when she says we need all illegals (including violent criminal gangbangers) to stay in our country, so we have someone around to "wipe our asses"?

[HDGristle]

Ignored it when he had him deported to the country he wasn't to be deported to.

Finally begrudgingly following it by returning him and pursuing charges and affording him due process.

If he ends up being deported as a result, so be it as long as the rules are followed and he's sent to a place he can legally be deported to.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Ignored it when he had him deported to the country he wasn't to be deported to.

So... you think trump personally goes through each list of deportees with a fine comb to make sure none are deported to the wrong country? You amuse me, Gristle.

And why is it inappropriate to deport a Salvadoran back to el Salvador? Oh yeah, now I remember - it's because he's an MS-13 gang member! The poor guy was afraid of being targeted and persecuted by rival gangs in the same country he grew up in. Yeah, that makes sense.

Trump didn't "ignore" anything. He brought this POS back to face trial and re-deportation. A fascist dictator wouldn't do that. Are you still going to keep screaming "fascist"? Go ahead - it looks even dumber now.

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Finally begrudgingly following it by returning him and pursuing charges and affording him due process.

Why "begrudgingly"? I think he's doing it gleefully and deliberately. He's trolling and trapping the far-left wingnuts, making them look dumber all the time.

Originally Posted by HDGristle

If he ends up being deported as a result, so be it as long as the rules are followed and he's sent to a place he can legally be deported to.

Oh dear! It's so very, very important for all the rules to be followed to a T, right Gristle? But only on the way OUT!

On the way IN, we can bend, spindle and mutilate ALL the immigration rules in order to flood our country with 12 million illegals in just 4 years under Joe Biden. Gee, that sounds a bit... (what's the right word?) ... Asymmetrical?

And of course, people like yourself will be yipping like ankle biters, trying to sabotage the trump deportation process with a never-ending drumbeat of frivolous due process claims. Then, after doing everything possible to gum things up, you'll point a finger at trump and say - look at how his deportation numbers suck!

We've got your number, Gristle. We know your game and how you think.

[HDGristle]

No, you have a fictional version of me in your head that you like to argue with and make some wild assumptions.

There's nothing in the 2019 Kilmar order about MS-13. You keep adding facts not in evidence, counselor. It had nothing to do with the decision. And yes, the Trump admin is bound to follow that order.

The civil misdemeanor illegal entry doesn't warrant the same response as other crimes. That's why it's a civil misdemeanor and routinely waived as part of our asylum rules. And depending on the time spent and distance, the rules are also different. Some of those rules have been in place far longer than the Joe Biden years.

I know a guy who took every bit of 13 years to get a green card despite doing everything right. His case started during Dubya's admin.

Ask Congress to change the laws you're unhappy with. Comprehensive immigrstion reform is badly needed. Not Executive overreach

Ask Trump to hire more immigration judges and to not put as heavy of a focus on arrests and allocate more heads to USCIS. Those two moves would help slash through the backlog that he had a part in making so damn deep. Would be an effective use of dollars and a move to do right by those who ARE doing the right things but are stuck in line waiting way longer than needed.

Put together the pieces instead of fumbling with the edges only on this.

I win, either way. Can you say the same?

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

There's nothing in the 2019 Kilmar order about MS-13. You keep adding facts not in evidence, counselor.

Wrong again, Gristle.

I have plenty of facts in evidence. Receipts, too.

Here's a copy of Kilmer "Maryland Man" Garcia's April 19, 2019 Immigration Court decision plus the December 19, 2019 denial of his appeal by the Immigration Appeals Board in Baltimore.

https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

Allow me to quote:

"... the determination that the Respondent is a gang member appears to be trustworthy and is supported by other evidence in the record, namely, information contained in the Gang Field Interview Sheet... the fact that a 'past, proven, and reliable source of information' verified the Respondent's gang membership, rank, and gang name is sufficient to support that the Respondent is a gang member, and the Respondent has failed to present evidence to rebut that assertion."

Question: Why wasn't this punk deported 6 years ago?


BAAAHAHAHAHA!!

[HDGristle]

Oof, Lusty. You almost had me... except for the fact that the relevant case witholding his removal was Oct 10, 2019. Make sure you're citing the right case, my dude.

And while that sheet was included as Exhibit 4, the immigration judge didn't grant him anything because of it, nor deny him anything because of it, or rule on whether it was or wasn't valid. In fact, it was determined that gang membership, real or alleged, was not the basis for the order to withhold deportation. It was his status as a member of the Abrego family, who had run afoul of the gang due to his mother's papusa business in Guatemala.

Strongly suggest you read the order withholding his removal. It's enlightening. Btw, you know that the Trump admin didn't appeal that order, right? And that order is why he wasn't deported.

[lustylad]

Oof is right, Gristle.

You have no receipts for the Court? No facts to put into evidence? You don't get to cite an imaginary case, dismiss the very real links and documents I entered into evidence, and act like you scored any points. That's a sure way to lose. You'd be laughed out of Court.

It's amusing to watch you crayfish. First you insisted that Kilmar's "ties to MS-13 are only alleged". I just showed you a link wherein his gang membership was found to be a FACTUAL DETERMINATION at two (2) Immigration Court hearings. Now you're claiming this proven gang membership wasn't "relevant" to your imaginary hearing, the one for which you have no receipts to show anyone.

Question for you, counselor - What kind of "stand-up guy" leaves his mother back home in el Salvador to be harassed and extorted by rival gangbangers? What kind of fucking worm of a man, instead of rushing home to rescue and defend his own mother, uses her plight and her suffering as an argument for him to avoid deportation?

Question for everyone else - Is this the kind of illegal immigrant we want to allow to stay in our country? A wife-beating, gangbanging, human-trafficking, MS-13 loving cowardly thug who cites his mother's torment to avoid being deported and returned to the country where she is at risk and he could, if he had any backbone, help and protect her?

God help us if we as Americans can't even agree on the need to get rid of the worst of the worst!

[HDGristle]

Post #266 from June 1 has the text of the order, with citations. You're citing the wrong cases, and I put that to bed days ago.

His mother is in Maryland, actually. They fled Guatamala together and moved multiple times as a family unit. I'm assiming you haven't seen her in pics or videos at any of the press conferences, like in April when she was standing with Sen Van Hollen.

The Trump admin has legal methods to pursue that they should pursue if they want to deport him. I don't have an issue with it if they do so, as long as they follow the law too.

It's stuff like that which helps explain why Trump's numbers aren't higher. He's inviting the legal challenges with his administration sloppy work.

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Post #266 from June 1 has the text of the order, with citations. You're citing the wrong cases, and I put that to bed days ago.

His mother is in Maryland, actually. They fled Guatamala together and moved multiple times as a family unit. I'm assiming you haven't seen her in pics or videos at any of the press conferences, like in April when she was standing with Sen Van Hollen.

The Trump admin has legal methods to pursue that they should pursue if they want to deport him. I don't have an issue with it if they do so, as long as they follow the law too.

It's stuff like that which helps explain why Trump's numbers aren't higher. He's inviting the legal challenges with his administration sloppy work.

And there is the un-ending story of the judge who said, YOU MUST facilitate the Habeas Corpus rights of ALL the people who were illegally deported. Apparently - judges know a little more than a guy who's bone spurs act up to a point where he cannot illiterate that the declaration of independence is a break up note, vs. a love note to the recipient.

Hundreds of Venezuelans deported from the United States to El Salvador under an 18th century wartime law must be given the chance to challenge their detentions, and the Trump administration must facilitate the legal challenges, a U.S. judge ruled on Wednesday.
U.S. District Judge James Boasberg stopped short of expressly ordering the Trump administration to bring the hundreds of Venezuelan migrants currently being held in a mega-prison in El Salvador back to the United States.

The judge gave the Trump administration one week to detail how it would facilitate the deportees’ filing of legal challenges.
In his ruling, Boasberg wrote that the individuals were deported without adequate notice or the right to contest their removals.
“That process - which was improperly withheld - must now be afforded to them,” Boasberg wrote. “Absent this relief, the government could snatch anyone off the street, turn him over to a foreign country, and then effectively foreclose any corrective course of action.”

Imagine a judge who read the actual constitution to which he took an oath to protect and honor vs. the dickhead who cannot read words that are multi-syllable nor understand their meaning. It's sad that anyone is fine with not having a day in court for those accused, which is in our constitution, vs. just allowing a person, team or a political party claim your a criminal without proof. Ask the insurrectionists on Jan 6th if they wished they were deported, vs. pardoned? Atleast even those cocksuckers got a trial.

[HDGristle]

FL State Sen and Latinas for Trump founder Ileana Garcia has broken with the Trump administration over its deportation agenda

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...nda-rcna212061

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

FL State Sen and Latinas for Trump founder Ileana Garcia has broken with the Trump administration over its deportation agenda

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...nda-rcna212061

Is there anything dumber than "Latinas for trump"? Jesus titty fuckin' Christ already. What did these idiots think was going to happen? It should illegal to be that stupid.