Habeas Corpus

[HDGristle]

Sounds like your neighbor won a diversity lottery green card. Nothing involving habeas corpus there.

I would suggest looking more closely at how that pathway differs. And in what circumstances illegal presence blocks other pathways and how often it's waived. This is about the government's obligations to produce the person and info about the person when it pulls them into government custody

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by paintedbynumbers

again,

the key word is "illegal" if someone is here "legally" that's fine. But there are thousands of people trying to come here legally that simply can't. Tommy, are you saying that the rights of the people here "illegally" are more important than theirs? If someone is here illegally and they are caught they absolutely should be sent back where they came from and have them apply to get here legally just like everyone else.

My neighbor and his family moved here from overseas and he told me how hard it was to win the lottery to come here and how his family members are still trying to do it the right way. It's not simple but rules are rules and should be equal for everyone.

This thread is about Habeas Corpus, and how "no person" is to be denied due process under the U.S. Constitution. The framers were deliberate about that.

They could have said "no citizen", but they didn't. They said "no person" in America can be denied due process. Kristi Noem has already made clear that she doesn't even know what Habeas Corpus is.

trump, and his racist clown show, is obviously acting unconstitutionally by deporting anyone without due process. What trump is doing is illegal. Straight up.

[Green_Mountain]

What due process did Obama use when he was the chief deporter? How come he didn’t have to consider suspending habeus corpus? I don’t remember much or even any judicial overreach.

It’s almost like everything has moved left and the motivation is to stop 47 from anything he does despite precedent in recent history.

[tommy156]

It was illegal when Obama did it, too. I wasn't on Eccie back then, but I spoke out against Obama when he attempted it, too.

See how easy that is to condemn a POTUS for breaking the law? MAGA should take notes.

It is curious why you hate when Obama did it, while you're basically cheering on trump's Obama Tribute Act. Because it seems like trump voters should have been a fan of Obama's deportations. I wonder what could have been different about Obama... hmm... what could it be?

[HDGristle]

Obama has a contentious relationship with Habeas Corpus

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/...ntion-bill-law

There's a whole rabbit hole you can go down if you choose to of statements on both sides of the aisle on that and many resulting legal challenges.

I still expect a sitting DHS Secretary to be able to define habeas corpus.

I miss Tom Ridge, bigly.

[Green_Mountain]

Obama’s deportations were great. Lots of other polices from him to complain about.

Your TDS makes you assume support or lack thereof is based solely on one factor. Quite a sad take by you actually. One of the worst cases of TDS I’ve ever seen.

[paintedbynumbers]

I know what the thread is about but we can all agree at the end of the day "illegal" means "illegal" how is that even up for debate?

Originally Posted by tommy156

This thread is about Habeas Corpus, and how "no person" is to be denied due process under the U.S. Constitution. The framers were deliberate about that.

They could have said "no citizen", but they didn't. They said "no person" in America can be denied due process. Kristi Noem has already made clear that she doesn't even know what Habeas Corpus is.

trump, and his racist clown show, is obviously acting unconstitutionally by deporting anyone without due process. What trump is doing is illegal. Straight up.

[HDGristle]

Only if it's applied properly. Plenty of people use illegal for legal residents.

They also don't recognize the difference between a civil infraction vs a criminal offense

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by paintedbynumbers

I know what the thread is about but we can all agree at the end of the day "illegal" means "illegal" how is that even up for debate?

Too many examples of trump deporting legal residents for that argument to really hold water here, though. He's not going after the real criminals. Just low hanging fruit.

[HDGristle]

A reminder for someone of our resident non-believers

https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants...does-it-matter

[Green_Mountain]

Originally Posted by tommy156

Too many examples of trump deporting legal residents for that argument to really hold water here, though. He's not going after the real criminals. Just low hanging fruit.

Deport every illegal possible.

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by Green_Mountain

Deport every illegal possible.

Maybe he should start by deporting the immigrants working at Mar-A-Lago? Maybe he shouldn't have tipped Kid Rock off about the ICE raids in Nashville?

If trump wasn't such a pussy, he'd go after the real criminals. By the way, if he really did "deport every illegal possible", our agricultural and hospitality industries would collapse. MAGA is so fucking dumb. And racist.

[Green_Mountain]

Deport every eligible illegal.

Enforcing the law doesn’t make you racist no matter how badly you want that to be true.

Being woke and seeing everything through the lense of color does make you a racist. Too many racist Dems for my liking.

Remember when it was the Democrats that didn’t want to end slavery because there would be nobody to work the fields? Similar logic being applied today by a group of racists.

[HDGristle]

Ok, then there should be no issue following the law regarding habeas corpus and the the right to due process.

[HDGristle]

FA. Trumpybear needs to remember that he shouldn't preach law and order while violating the rule of law. FO

Federal Judge Gives Trump One Week to Provide Habeas Corpus Relief to Venezuelans in CECOT

"Today's ruling affirms what every American knows: In the United States, people are entitled to due process and no one should be removed from the country without it."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/habeas-corpus-trump