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lustylad · 05-31-2025, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

...so keep jabbering about due process it just makes your argument more useless

BAHAHAAAAAAA

He keeps jabbering about it, even though he can't/won't define it.

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Originally Posted by lustylad

Two questions:

1. What are the exceptions?

2. What exactly constitutes "due process"?

I posted a link elsewhere in this thread estimating there are 1.4 million people still in the US whose applications for asylum have been heard and denied. Surely this means they've had their "due process" and now it's time to go home, either voluntarily or when ICE comes knocking on the door.

Does "due process" mean some of these people get to say ok, we may have lost on our (bogus) asylum claims, but we've found half a dozen other immigration law loopholes that need to be "adjudicated" before we can legally be deported?

"Due process" should NOT mean the 12 million illegals who flooded in under Biden get to game the system in order to remain in the USA indefinitely!

In the case of that saintly MS-13 gang member ("Maryland man") Kilmar Abrego Garcia, it was reported that he had 17 administrative hearings on his immigration status before he was finally shipped to el Salvador. That sounds like a fuck of a lot of "due process" to me.

lustylad · 05-31-2025, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by HDGristle

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/30/polit...tations-parole

CHNV can be ended. Now, many of those folks have one or more irons in the fire for other statuses...

Thanks for confirming that "due process" means - how do we gum up and game the immigration rules so nobody gets deported!
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HDGristle · 05-31-2025, 10:44 AM

No, Lusty. If someone is on TPS they can also have an asylum claim pending. Or a family-based green card case. A diversity lottery application. A marriage-based application. Those are just 4 examples of someone here legally having multiple legal pathways... some of which may not work out.

There's zero reason to paint with the broad brush of xenophobia and misrepresent what due process is here, but I get that you have an agenda... so....

HDGristle · 05-31-2025, 10:45 AM

Hoping this is just a baseless accusation

https://migrantinsider.com/p/exclusi...dissident-says

bambino · 05-31-2025, 12:08 PM

BREAKING: Supreme Court allows Trump administration to deport over 500k illegal immigrants who are currently on a Biden-era immigration parole program. Justice Jackson and Justice Sotomayor dissented. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinion...a1079_p86b.pdf

lustylad · 05-31-2025, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by HDGristle

No, Lusty. If someone is on TPS they can also have an asylum claim pending. Or a family-based green card case. A diversity lottery application. A marriage-based application. Those are just 4 examples of someone here legally having multiple legal pathways... some of which may not work out.

Just so I understand correctly, are you saying aspiring immigrants who follow the rules should have to wait in their home countries while they pursue multiple legal pathways, but those who sneak in illegally get to remain in the US for years & years until they've run out of "irons in the fire" and can no longer game the system to avoid deportation?

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Originally Posted by HDGristle

There's zero reason to paint with the broad brush of xenophobia and misrepresent what due process is here, but I get that you have an agenda... so....

Oh dear! Did you just call me xenophobic? What did I do to deserve such an appalling appellation? Is it because I favor secure (rather than wide-open, insecure) borders? Is it because I want all US immigrants to come here legally through the front door, rather than sneaking in the back door and cutting in line in front of all the patient, law-abiding and more deserving would-be immigrants?

Was OBAMA xenophobic too? You keep bragging about how superior his deportation record was. Since you're so proud of it, doesn't that make YOU xenophobic as well?

How can you accuse me of misrepresenting the meaning of due process, when you can't/won't even define it here?

Speaking of having an "agenda", what's yours? Oh wait, I think we've already figured that one out too...

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Originally Posted by lustylad

... The only thing you're cheering is for Trump & Homan to fail. If they do fail, it will be partly due to people like you, who throw nothing but snark and ridicule at any efforts to secure our borders. You never say anything good about Republicans on border policy, and you won't say anything bad about the Biden/Harris record, which was so unmitigatedly disastrous that it cost them the election and triggered a sea-change in public opinion on the issue.

62% of Americans now favor mass deportation of illegals. Chew on that for a while...

... the DOJ should prosecute the NGOs involved, along with Mayorkas and the godawful jackasses who work for him - the ones who rolled out a fucking phone app to facilitate the flood, and dreamed up a "parole" program that flies in 30,000 unvetted migrants every month from Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua and Haiti - all failed states, the worst shithole countries in our Hemisphere. If they even compile criminal info, they don't share it with us. Anyone care to explain or defend that Biden/Harris/Mayorkas "parole" program? Wtf were they thinking? Go ahead, Gristle. Answer the question for once, if you can...

Fuck your "red meat" and your lame attempts to make a silly game out of a deadly serious matter. Fuck your stupid "bread crumbs" and "bonus points". You flatter yourself into thinking this is about you. You may know a lot about immigration, but you won't apply any of that knowledge toward identifying constructive solutions. You'd rather just sit back and snipe at anyone & everyone who actually wants to secure the border.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

HDGristle · 05-31-2025, 06:43 PM

Someone who is on TPS can wait wherever is appropriate, including here if they have other legal statuses they can change to or activate.

You act like all or even most of the folks on TPS came in the wrong way without anything real to back it up

If they don't have a valid legal status they can leave or go through a formal deportation process.

For those with asylum claims, they can wait in the U.S. , as per our laws, unless there is a specific disqualifier or a valid deportation order with no stay on it.

As for due process, read up at your leisure
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/due_process

Green_Mountain · 05-31-2025, 09:27 PM

I’ll never understand why you libs fight to keep illegals in the country.

You quite literally want to import the demise of western culture as we know it. And you want to pay for it.

All to import future voters. It’s absurd to think you are willing to accept a lower quality of life in the present and future for that.

Here’s to President Trump continuing to fight to deport every illegal possible and the incredible 99% improvement at the border.

HDGristle · 05-31-2025, 09:50 PM

Thankfully, as a right-leaning, moderate independent I'm good with legal deportations, due process and upholding the values set forth in the constitution... and the Bible

Green_Mountain · 05-31-2025, 10:03 PM

Not I. There was no due process on the way in and IMO it’s not deserved on the way out.

It’s a self-destruction in something faster than slow motion for the west.

At least Trump has the wherewithal to try and do something about it.

lustylad · 05-31-2025, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by HDGristle

Someone who is on TPS can wait wherever is appropriate, including here if they have other legal statuses they can change to or activate.

Thanks for confirming the prevalence of gaming the system. As you just explained, the goal is to "activate" one so-called legal pathway after another to stay here and delay deportation as long as possible.

You act like all or even most of the folks on TPS came in the wrong way without anything real to back it up.

You act like the Biden/Harris/Mayorkas architects of open borders didn't hand out TPS like candy. You act like they actually vetted those 30,000 Venezuelans, Cubans, Haitians and Nicaraguans who applied each month using their accelerated online phone app.

If they don't have a valid legal status they can leave or go through a formal deportation process.

Or hide out in one of our Dem-controlled sanctuary cities.

For those with asylum claims, they can wait in the U.S., as per our laws, unless there is a specific disqualifier or a valid deportation order with no stay on it.

Yep. See above for tips on "activating" new legal pathways to obtain a "stay" of a deportation order.

As for due process, read up at your leisure
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/due_process

Your "due process" link is way too general and generic. Try harder. How does it apply to immigration rules? How many immigration hearings is a typical MS-13 gang member entitled to? I hear "Maryland Man" Kilmar Garcia had 17. Was that not enough due process for him?

Devo · 05-31-2025, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HDGristle

Thankfully, as a right-leaning, moderate independent I'm good with legal deportations, due process and upholding the values set forth in the constitution... and the Bible

And Dragons fly out of my ass on demand.

Devo · 05-31-2025, 10:26 PM

Using the "Bible" as an excuse is the moral equivalent of calling someone "Hitler".

lustylad · 05-31-2025, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Devo

And Dragons fly out of my ass on demand.

You mean monkeys, right lol?

HDGristle · 06-01-2025, 06:30 AM

Kilmar was deported to a country he wasn't permitted to be deported to by our legal system and the government admitted the "mistake" in court but so far has failed to correct it. The MS-13 connection was flimsy and Trump looked like a buffoon as a result on his double down.

Don't misconstrue the issue or pretend that's the norm. It's not.

This is the same way you fumble with what are and aren't legal pathways and toss around blanket generalizations about gaming the system.

There is nothing wrong with someone on TPS pursuing an alternate legal path. It's kind of the point of they want to seek someone more permanent legally.

If you want change, ask congress to change the laws. This should not be managed by Executive 9rders.

Trump trying to use fringe arguments undermines the work he's trying to do. Which is what is giving folks legal grounds to pursue lawsuits that will slow down and block him.

Like the "invasion" angle. Plays well amongst his low IQ base, xenophobes and bigots, but doesn't pass the smell test in court or move the ball meaningfully.