Mind boggling that everyone seems to be worth $800 plus these days

[Boltfan]

Originally Posted by nobody_home

Welcome to not the point of the fucking thread

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[TalliaThomas]

Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

A summation of this thread: While there are a handful of providers (usually the same ones over and over again on every thread in this forum) that have responded to this thread, none of them charge $800/hr for a donation, yet, per their posts in this thread, they unequivocally feel that any guy is wrong and insults him for his opinion on providers who charge that rate or more.

At no point in this thread have I said any man is wrong for his opinions on what a woman charges. At the end of the day-- if a woman is charging too much for what she offers-- she'll suffer from a lack of business and will have to lower her rates or exit the business. That's not an insult, that's just a basic fact.


Every hobbyist has to decide for himself not only what rates are acceptable to him personally, but also what he'd be willing to pay for any individual provider. I don't insult guys for making their choices, regardless of what they are. Hell-- BLM is mostly focused on street level providers and rates, yet we still get along just fine on the forums. There are many ways to pay and play-- and none of them are invalid because of what someone will or won't pay.

[nobody_home]

Originally Posted by Boltfan

LOOK AT ME!
I'M THE INTERNET SHERIFF OF THIS GHOST TOWN MESSAGE BOARD
MY JOB IS IMPORTANT

[BLM68]

You get what you pay for right? Yup that’s a stone cold fact

[Boltfan]

Originally Posted by nobody_home

It's funny when my multi-handle detectors works so well.

Self outing is always fun.

[Dr-epg]

Originally Posted by nobody_home

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[TexTushHog]

Originally Posted by Aonegonexx

Case of Veblen Good, i wonder.

There is sone of that, but if significant numbers of providers are charging $x dollars, and significant numbers of hobbyist are paying that, it’s just the market working. Some pricing mismatches can be attributed to asymmetrical information, but information in the market has vastly improved since I started hobbying 40 years ago.

Some people really have trouble with the notion that markets set prices, not people. And bellyaching about it is a waste of time.

[Anthonylewis50]

Originally Posted by TexTushHog

There is sone of that, but if significant numbers of providers are charging $x dollars, and significant numbers of hobbyist are paying that, it’s just the market working. Some pricing mismatches can be attributed to asymmetrical information, but information in the market has vastly improved since I started hobbying 40 years ago.

Some people really have trouble with the notion that markets set prices, not people. And bellyaching about it is a waste of time.

But this isn't a market where people are selling widgets man. Markets setting prices also doesn't account for fraudulent actors. If a lady has a 1k or 800 price point because she gets 600 off only fans, she can give a lackluster performance and not really lose anything at all. She can defraud the client and make 800. There's no real consequences because she has revenue from other sources. Phone scammers can request 1k or 10k. The market doesn't set their prices, the amount of money they can grift does. There are a very limited number of ladies at that price point who deliver the goods. 90 percent do not. The market won't fix the problem because the market doesn't account for a financially stable fraudulent actor, who is patient. Ladies don't have to close shop. If they have other income they can keep ad up forever.

Some ladies (and I can't blame them) would rather do only fans videos for 600 than do a flabby guy for 700. They won't reduce that price because the market told them to. Its a matter of their personal preferences and attraction. If markets set prices ladies wouldn't have no AA policies because the market would say all money is money. This isn't like other businesses. Attraction. Personal biases. Personal dignity. Those are factored into a ladies rate and whether she'll lower it.

For example, if a lady doesn't like providing but is really looking for a wealthy husband, she might not see any one for less than 1k. Anything less is a waste of time she could be using to bag Luka doncic (rip). Her prices have nothing to do with the market and everything to do with her sense of self. She can stay in or go out of business whenever she pleases

[TinMan]

But even with widgets there are anomalies. Market inefficiencies exist everywhere, as they teach in Economics classes.

The numbers from P411 and Tryst indicate this is a more efficient market than we give it credit for. More than 90% of the women on those sites are not asking for $800+ an hour. If they could they would, but their circumstances don’t allow them to charge that much and get the volume they want. The few who do may not demonstrate sufficient value for us to want to shell out that kind of money, even if we can afford it. That’s because we can get what we need for less. A lot less. Mainly because we do our homework and take advantage of the tools that didn’t exist 40 years ago.

[Boltfan]

Originally Posted by TinMan

But even with widgets there are anomalies. Market inefficiencies exist everywhere, as they teach in Economics classes.

The numbers from P411 and Tryst indicate this is a more efficient market than we give it credit for. More than 90% of the women on those sites are not asking for $800+ an hour. If they could they would, but their circumstances don’t allow them to charge that much and get the volume they want. The few who do may not demonstrate sufficient value for us to want to shell out that kind of money, even if we can afford it. That’s because we can get what we need for less. A lot less. Mainly because we do our homework and take advantage of the tools that didn’t exist 40 years ago.

Hard data that seems to be proving this is less an issue and more a rant from the OP. I trust that Tinman is providing solid data.

[TinMan]

It’s only as good as the data used for filtering the results. I don’t have any reason to believe errors in that regard would yield largely different results. If someone has different data that is better, it would be great to see it.

[Busty]

You are correct

[RickyG2002]

It seems like this topic is just going in circles now.
Ima go and sit down with my popcorn and watch the fireworks.

[TinMan]

The movie is about over, unless someone comes up with numbers that show more than 30-40 women who are even advertising those rates in this market.

[DFW_Ladies_Man]

Edit.....

I had something posted here but after skimming through these post, I'd just be repeating whats already been said.