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			12-24-2024, 06:18 PM
			
			
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				Na. I’m craving well deserved retribution, using the current system. 
			
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			12-24-2024, 08:59 PM
			
			
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				Na. I’m craving well deserved retribution, using the current system. 
			
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And this is what is wrong with the system.  Too many people on both sides don’t care about good governance and just want to stick it to the other side.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-25-2024, 07:54 AM
			
			
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They've never had a problem with lying to themselves.  It's kind of their whole thing.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-25-2024, 07:58 AM
			
			
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				And this is what is wrong with the system.  Too many people on both sides don’t care about good governance and just want to stick it to the other side. 
			
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Funny part is, they stuck it to themselves too.  Hasn't hit them yet, but they'll get it eventually.  No prices will be coming down, and many will be going up.  President Elon's already pledged to gut their social security, too.  That will be my favorite part.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-28-2024, 02:48 PM
			
			
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Churchill was referring to DEMOCRACY - something that trumpers are always quick to point out that we ARE NOT.  So, yes, America is one of the worst systems of government the world has ever known.
 
The electoral college is a rigged travesty that allows someone to "win" an election by receiving fewer votes.
 
An actual democracy would be exponentially better than this shit show.  Churchill was right on the money.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-28-2024, 03:15 PM
			
			
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				Churchill was referring to DEMOCRACY - something that trumpers are always quick to point out that we ARE NOT.  So, yes, America is one of the worst systems of government the world has ever known. 
 
The electoral college is a rigged travesty that allows someone to "win" an election by receiving fewer votes. 
 
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Well you just showed us how smart you really are.
 
If you don't understand the need for a electoral college, to balance power equally among states, and that a pure Democracy is best described as "two wolves and sheep voting to see who gets eaten.", any other political discussion after that is useless.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-28-2024, 03:16 PM
			
			
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				Churchill was referring to DEMOCRACY - something that trumpers are always quick to point out that we ARE NOT.  So, yes, America is one of the worst systems of government the world has ever known. 
 
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democracy is no different than a lynch mob mentality.........
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-28-2024, 04:41 PM
			
			
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Lol.  Huh?
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-28-2024, 04:45 PM
			
			
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				If you don't understand the need for a electoral college, to balance power equally among states, and that a pure Democracy is best described as "two wolves and sheep voting to see who gets eaten.", any other political discussion after that is useless. 
			
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Balancing power equally among the states is completely misguided.  Montana gets 2 Senators and so does Texas?  Compare the respective populations to understand how incredibly unfair that is.
 
Also unfair: the amount of federal funding state by state shows red states get the lion's share.  Welfare queens who vote for billionaires.  Lol.  You can't make this shit up.
 
A true democracy would be far superior.  And oddly enough, better for these idiotic Republicans.  They too will feel the unlubed dildo of consequence soon enough.  Wait til their retirement accounts and social security start getting plundered.  Two years from now, they'll be wishing they lived in a democracy.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-28-2024, 05:23 PM
			
			
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				Churchill was referring to DEMOCRACY - something that trumpers are always quick to point out that we ARE NOT. So, yes, America is one of the worst systems of government the world has ever known. 
			
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Democracy has many variants. Churchill was referring generically to any system where people elect their own representatives and are, broadly speaking, self-governing. The U.K. has its own brand of (parliamentary) democracy, we have a federal system with our own rules, checks and balances. A parliamentary system does not automatically ensure the newly elected government receives the most popular votes either.
 
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Think again, tommy. Was it "rigged" when the Electoral College helped Biden assume the Presidency in 2020 and fend off trump's claims the election was stolen? Here's a post I made in this forum almost 4 years ago. It contains an excellent analysis (by Christopher DeMuth) written two days after J6. Read it slowly and carefully, tommy.
 https://eccie.net/showpost.php?p=106...6&postcount=28
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Churchill understood ALL variants of democracy are messy and have their own unique pluses and minuses. That point is somehow lost on you, even though you presume to know and tell us what an "actual" democracy is. What you really mean is - it's a "shit show" anytime my team loses.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-28-2024, 05:59 PM
			
			
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let me break it down for you..... democracy, majority rules period
 
20 people are polled to see if you should killed for loving tomlin
 
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			12-28-2024, 06:02 PM
			
			
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				Balancing power equally among the states is completely misguided.  Montana gets 2 Senators and so does Texas?  Compare the respective populations to understand how incredibly unfair that is. 
 
Also unfair: the amount of federal funding state by state shows red states get the lion's share.  Welfare queens who vote for billionaires.  Lol.  You can't make this shit up. 
 
A true democracy would be far superior.  And oddly enough, better for these idiotic Republicans.  They too will feel the unlubed dildo of consequence soon enough.  Wait til their retirement accounts and social security start getting plundered.  Two years from now, they'll be wishing they lived in a democracy. 
			
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So, you have no retirement accounts or are able to get Social Security?
 
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			12-28-2024, 06:32 PM
			
			
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				Think again, tommy. Was it "rigged" when the Electoral College helped Biden assume the Presidency in 2020 and fend off trump's claims the election was stolen? 
			
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Lol.  Biden didn't need the electoral college for anything related to 2020.  He won by a landslide.
 
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				let me break it down for you..... democracy, majority rules period 
 
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Ridiculous analogy.  Not at all pertinent or based in reality.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-28-2024, 06:37 PM
			
			
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not at all.... pure democracy is majority rules, period
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
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