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texassapper · 05-27-2021, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chung Tran

Why don't we just celebrate among us, that we are at the end of a 15 month ordeal? Instead of continuing to point fingers, and quote people from March 8 of last year?

Because this is just the first time... more is being planned. Count on it.

This crap came from the Wuhan lab, despite everyones claims that was nuts, now it's being allowed to be talked about again. So in point of fact the tech oligarchy DIRECTLY prevented the TRUTH from being published for over a year.

Why?

I mean we all know the why... but if it doesn't bother you, well, you will deserve the authoritarian shithole to which the left is intent on sending this nation.

Failure to point out the TRUTH will only result in more of the same.

rexdutchman · 05-28-2021, 07:56 AM

^^ Yup,, "To sow a new reality " Rush

Chung Tran · 05-28-2021, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by texassapper

Because this is just the first time... more is being planned. Count on it.

This crap came from the Wuhan lab, despite everyones claims that was nuts, now it's being allowed to be talked about again.

I find it amusing, how you guys on the far right flipped your narrative.

You went months saying the virus was first a hoax, then basically harmless unless you were over 80 or were obese, then not any worse than seasonal flu... Now you agree the virus is not only a scourge, but was engineered in a Chinese Lab to inflict damage on Western Democracies. Some of y'all are even getting vaccinated!

goodolboy · 05-28-2021, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chung Tran

I find it amusing, how you guys on the far right flipped your narrative.

You went months saying the virus was first a hoax, then basically harmless unless you were over 80 or were obese, then not any worse than seasonal flu... Now you agree the virus is not only a scourge, but was engineered in a Chinese Lab to inflict damage on Western Democracies. Some of y'all are even getting vaccinated!

I find it more amusing that the "doomer" liberals who cry conspiracy theory if anyone question's their narrative are consistently eating crow. I don't know anyone who thought the virus did not exist. Politicized, blown out of proportion for political gain, that's more obvious now than ever.

Much like the "Russian collusion" agenda, this also is all coming out, and the curtain is being pulled back for all to see who care to look.

TinMan · 05-28-2021, 08:57 AM

Center-right guy here. I never thought the virus was a hoax, and even supported Abbott when he shut things down. I was concerned when he was among the first to open back up, but more along the lines of “I hope this isn’t a disaster” than having any certainty about it being the incorrect move.

I am glad the China lab escape angle is being investigated, because I don’t trust those fuckers. I suspect we will never know the truth, but we at least should try.

Oh, and I got vaccinated, too, as soon as it became apparent that the early adopters weren’t turning into zombies or something.

GaGambler · 05-28-2021, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chung Tran

I find it amusing, how you guys on the far right flipped your narrative.

You went months saying the virus was first a hoax, then basically harmless unless you were over 80 or were obese, then not any worse than seasonal flu... Now you agree the virus is not only a scourge, but was engineered in a Chinese Lab to inflict damage on Western Democracies. Some of y'all are even getting vaccinated!

I hardly consider myself hard right, hey I was born and raised in the SF Bay Area are grew up (without really having a choice) as a liberal. I am still very liberal where it comes to freedom of choice, religion, and a whole host of other issues.

That said, I have never and am still not particularly worried about COVID personally. I believe people getting off their fat lazy asses, dropping some weight, getting some sun, will have just as much to do with them being able to survive COVID than anything else, including the vaccine, which I do hope everyone (but me) gets very soon.

Keep in mind it was the socalled "far right" who first suggested that the virus came from the lab in Wuhan and it was you libs who not only shouted that theory down, but censored it to the point where FaceBook actually banned any mention of it.

So which side is really doing the flip flop here?

billw1032 · 05-28-2021, 08:13 PM

I don't recall anyone ever saying the virus was a hoax. At least not anyone with credibility, and possibly discounting a few people that were completely wacko. Perhaps my memory is faulty and someone can remind us if they have specifics.

I do recall early on that it was being compared to the seasonal flu. But if you recall, the early case numbers were small and data was scarce, so it made sense to make such a tentative comparison then and also made sense that the conclusions would change as we got more data. It's not even clear now (to me at least) just how accurate the most recent data we have is, but it's certainly much better than we had initially.

I didn't buy the lab leak theory at first for one simple reason: I looked at a map. People were saying nonsense things like there was a lab just a couple of blocks from the "wet market". Well that's just wrong. The Wuhan Institute of Virology is 7 miles away from the Huanan Seafood Market (now closed) and on opposite sides of the Yangtze river. Also, neither one is close to Wuhan Central Hospital where Dr. Li Wenliang worked, who got in trouble with the police for trying to alert his colleagues to this strange new type of pneumonia that he was seeing show up and who later died from the disease. All of these places are searchable on Google Maps and in just a few minutes you can verify this. On top of all this, I'm familiar with the city and was actually in Wuhan in November of 2019, and I can tell you that everything appeared completely business as usual.

The thing that changed my mind was the fact that we started seeing a large number of cases that are asymptomatic which could mean the virus was spreading all around the city unnoticed at first. That could have had time to connect the widely separated places I mentioned. A little bit scary for me since I was there about that time, but apparently escaped unharmed. Also, a few other facts have come out more recently that seem to lend credibility to this theory, and there have been some peer-reviewed papers in highly-respected journals that also add credibility. I'm sure the Lab has cleaned up its records since then so we may never know for sure, but I think a decent analysis should be able to come to a pretty solid conclusion.

One other loose end. Whether it was a virus altered by human intervention or just a natural virus they were studying, I really don't know. Qualified people have reported both opinions, so I think the jury is still out on that one. However, interesting fact that was reported recently: did you know that Influenza rarely infects Chinese people? I can confirm that friends in China previously told me that Flu is not a big problem there. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that they were attempting to engineer something similar that wouldn't affect the Chinese population and would be even more severe for other ethnicities. Of course that's just speculation at this point, but if true it would seem that they failed or at least partially failed. This time.

texassapper · 05-29-2021, 07:39 AM

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I find it amusing, how you guys on the far right flipped your narrative.

Speaking of flipping the narrative....

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You went months saying the virus was first a hoax,

Not the illness itself... just the panicked response, the statistics which were gamed, and the political imposition of distancing (which is worthless) and the masks (which are also worthless).... so this is a lie.

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then basically harmless unless you were over 80 or were obese,

Not harmless, but not deadly to those under 50 and not fatassed... (so you're lying here)

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then not any worse than seasonal flu...

Never saw this claim... just that it was not much worse than the flu... so this is a lie too.

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Now you agree the virus is not only a scourge,

The virus itself, no... but the liberal politicians (and some supposed Conservatives) response yes.. THAT was a fcuking scourge.

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but was engineered in a Chinese Lab to inflict damage on Western Democracies.

Those claims were made from the get-go.. but then they disappeared because of censorship. But they're back now because the signal can't be stopped.... the truth will come out.

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Some of y'all are even getting vaccinated!

Only the suckers.

Over all, you are the one trying to flip the script, Tran. None of what you just asserted is true.

but you do you.... You know you're wrong. I don't need to convince you or anyone else. The truth will smack you in the face soon enough.

texassapper · 05-29-2021, 07:40 AM

Just in case ANYONE is still under the delusion that this wasn't man made...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dy-claims.html

Let's Go! · 05-29-2021, 03:51 PM

TRUMP said it would magically disappear in just a few days. At the time we had 15 reported case. He drew a wavy line from North to South, and said it will be gone before we know it.

bobst · 05-29-2021, 05:29 PM

No mask = Trump puppets = CDC puppets

I am no one’s puppet!

LOL

bobst · 05-29-2021, 05:32 PM

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Just in case ANYONE is still under the delusion that this wasn't man made...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dy-claims.html

Who cares? Are we going to start WW III?
Compare to what we did to other countries and world, it’s one mistake.

Chung Tran · 05-29-2021, 10:23 PM

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but you do you.... You know you're wrong. I don't need to convince you or anyone else. The truth will smack you in the face soon enough.

I will do me, and you be the same you who predicted in October that Trump would win in a Landslide. I know you still believe he did, you are the staunchest right-winger on ECCIE.

Is the truth of Trump's ''win'' going to smack me soon? Maybe after that Arizona recount?

How do you account for the Covid problems in Brazil, India, Africa, and other spots? Or do you believe they have problems? Maybe you think CNN is making it up?

texassapper · 05-30-2021, 05:15 PM

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TRUMP said it would magically disappear in just a few days. At the time we had 15 reported case. He drew a wavy line from North to South, and said it will be gone before we know it.

Well you fell for the press lies. He was talking SPECIFICALLY about eh 15 people in Quaratine in WA state who were repatriated to the US AGAINST policy. Why would a Democrat governor do that? Well for the same reason Whitmer and Cuomo started shoving COVID positive patients into nursing homes... so that it would spread, thus justifying more intrusive government action. The few days is when THOSE SPECIFIC 15 patients would be recovered. The Press wanted you to think something else, and in the case of YOU, you either fell for it or you willfully like to believe it.

“You have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero,”

Still not sure why Trump is to blame when it was Democrats that called closing the borders and flights racist and spoke out against it happening earlier.

And why aren't you upset with China.. oh, that's because you don't give two shits about the actual deaths or impacts.. you just wanted Trump out at all costs.... so from that perspective, you're no different than the ChiComs or the Democrats. It doesn't matter how many people needed to die or how many people would lose theirs jobs, as long as political power was gained.

Happy?

texassapper · 05-30-2021, 05:20 PM

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I will do me, and you be the same you who predicted in October that Trump would win in a Landslide. I know you still believe he did, you are the staunchest right-winger on ECCIE.

He won. It's simple math. You know it, we all know it. It's just not allowed to be said or people get banned etc. For folks so sure they're right, they sure seem like they NEED to prevent people from saying different.

It's not that I'm the staunchest Right winger. I'm just not willfully blind. Can you explain why 6 locations had to stop their counting processes at the same time and injected 100s of thousands of votes into their tallies? Can you explain how Trump votes went down? Were there negative votes allowed?

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Is the truth of Trump's ''win'' going to smack me soon? Maybe after that Arizona recount?

It will. When it becomes obvious that it can no longer be denied, we will end up in a nice little Constitutional Crisis.

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How do you account for the Covid problems in Brazil, India, Africa, and other spots? Or do you believe they have problems? Maybe you think CNN is making it up?

Did I say COVID doesn't exist? No. I did not. Just that the response is going to do more harm than good. Can you explain to me the 15 days to flatten the curve? What happened?