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03-04-2021, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by lustylad
Spare us your phony straw man arguments.
And here's a typical LL response. Get slapped with truth and the best you can come at me with is a blanket answer.
I'm ready to vote for Liberals of ANY religion as long as they believe in our separation of church and state.
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Can't believe I am actually going to say this to you of all people, but I agree with you on this one.
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03-04-2021, 08:56 AM
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(2) That whole notion that America is a place where one can practice any religion freely is a crock of shit. Let a Muslim run for high office and see what happens.
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The point of "rights" is that the government can't infringe on them. If people don't want to vote for a muslim because they're muslim, that's there business. The problem with bigotry is that you can't legislate it away. In fact, legislating it emboldens it because bigotry is built on a mentality of victimhood. You have to have a cultural change. Laws don't drive cultural changes, cultural changes drive laws.
Personally I don't care what your faith is or who your imaginary friend is, as long as you're not legislating on those beliefs and practicing a good separation of church and state.
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03-04-2021, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by GastonGlock
The point of "rights" is that the government can't infringe on them. If people don't want to vote for a muslim because they're muslim, that's there business. The problem with bigotry is that you can't legislate it away. In fact, legislating it emboldens it because bigotry is built on a mentality of victimhood. You have to have a cultural change. Laws don't drive cultural changes, cultural changes drive laws.
Personally I don't care what your faith is or who your imaginary friend is, as long as you're not legislating on those beliefs and practicing a good separation of church and state.
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I get what you're saying and I agree.
Trump tried to infringe on religious rights with his Muslim ban, just like he has tried to infringe on freedom of speech.
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03-04-2021, 09:22 AM
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I get what you're saying and I agree.
Trump tried to infringe on religious rights with his Muslim ban, just like he has tried to infringe on freedom of speech.
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The muslim ban wasn't a muslim ban, that's just what the news called it. he didn't ban muslims, folks from Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Lebanon, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, and Oman were still welcome.
Look at the list: Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Syria.
Pretty much, just muslim countries that the US has engaged in imperialistic regime change bullshit over the last 40-50 years who are full of muslims who rightfully are pissed with us.
Re: Freedom of speech. Yeah, that was something I don't want to hear coming from the mouth of the "leader of the free world". Frankly there's too much of that shit going around, and I'm way past my limit with it.
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03-04-2021, 11:37 AM
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The point of "rights" is that the government can't infringe on them BUT just lookie whats happening
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03-04-2021, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by GastonGlock
The muslim ban wasn't a muslim ban, that's just what the news called it. he didn't ban muslims, folks from Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Lebanon, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, and Oman were still welcome.
Look at the list: Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Syria.
Pretty much, just muslim countries that the US has engaged in imperialistic regime change bullshit over the last 40-50 years who are full of muslims who rightfully are pissed with us.
Re: Freedom of speech. Yeah, that was something I don't want to hear coming from the mouth of the "leader of the free world". Frankly there's too much of that shit going around, and I'm way past my limit with it.
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Well when you run a campaign based on a bunch of racist rhetoric, when you have white supremacist groups like Prouds Boys backing you, and the first thing you do right out of the gates is try to ban Muslims of course people are going to call it what it is.
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03-04-2021, 12:29 PM
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(1) do your research, if what you said was true then the pilgrims never would have came to N. America. They never would have left The Netherlands, America was not their first choice. The Netherlands was very accepting to all religions, and their narrow minded asses had a problem with that. They wanted everyone to think and worship like they did. Hypocrites!!!
(2) That whole notion that America is a place where one can practice any religion freely is a crock of shit. Let a Muslim run for high office and see what happens. Hypocrites!!!
England is the best country period!! 🇬🇧
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You can't make up your own history and facts that is what you are basically doing. America is a country that is simply not for everyone and it's obviously not for you.
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03-04-2021, 12:33 PM
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You can't make up your own history and facts that is what you are basically doing. America is a country that is simply not for everyone and it's obviously not for you.
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Like I said, do your research and it will be obvious who is making up their own history.
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03-04-2021, 01:28 PM
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Like I said, do your research and it will be obvious who is making up their own history.
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I was born and raised in this Country, I know it's history. Your problem appears to be your interpretation of the facts which is a common problem for people who don't understand America.
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03-04-2021, 01:55 PM
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lm has no 'need' to understand America -
lm has teh DPST marxist idiotology Uber Alles!
Go back where you came from - lm - sionce this is such a miserable place to live
Or. are the queens' lands so fed up with you that you are prohibited from going back ?????
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03-04-2021, 02:20 PM
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I was born and raised in this Country, I know it's history. Your problem appears to be your interpretation of the facts which is a common problem for people who don't understand America.
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You are choosing to ignore facts as well as documented history. You obviously have minimal knowledge of your own country's history and are trying to hide that fact.
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03-04-2021, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by oeb11
lm has no 'need' to understand America -
lm has teh DPST marxist idiotology Uber Alles!
Go back where you came from - lm - sionce this is such a miserable place to live
Or. are the queens' lands so fed up with you that you are prohibited from going back ?????
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No Trumps ignorance and stupidity has made it very difficult for any American to go back to Europe.
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03-04-2021, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Levianon17
I was born and raised in this Country, I know it's history. Your problem appears to be your interpretation of the facts which is a common problem for people who don't understand America.
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You are choosing to ignore facts as well as documented history. You obviously have minimal knowledge of your own country's history and are trying to hide that fact.
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If the two of you keep going at it, you might just learn that "the truth" and "history" are subjective and written by the winners. Or barring a winner, whomever is getting paid to write the textbooks.
Take what you learned in school with a grain of salt.
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03-04-2021, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Little Monster
You are choosing to ignore facts as well as documented history. You obviously have minimal knowledge of your own country's history and are trying to hide that fact.
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Oh no I don't. You might know something about England but you know nothing about America and especially about being American.
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03-04-2021, 04:45 PM
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lm is just an agitator - and one with little knowledge of teh United States.
go back where One came from - lm
If they will have U./
So sad - to waste a life in such hatred.
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