Socialism

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by winn dixie

His roots come from kenya.
And he was born there!

Barack Obama Sr. - Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › Barack_Obama_Sr
Barack Hussein Obama Sr was a Kenyan senior governmental economist and the father of Barack Obama, the 44th president of the United States

But please proceed!

He was born in Hawaii, which makes him American. And he’s 1/2 white which means even in your mind he has to be 1/2 right.

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

You truly don’t understand what it means. I though you were being obtuse intentionally but instead maybe on this you really are just obtuse. Let me once more give you an example.

PersonA “hey Biden is passing legislation with no republicans, that’s not very bipartisan” - the implication of the statement is thatBiden is being a partisan.

Person Bs response instead of discussing whether Biden is in fact being a partisan responds making making an unrelated equivalency by saying “well, Trump passed legislation without democrats” - the implication being that Biden’s behavior is OK because Trump did it. As in but whatabout Trumps actions instead of Discussing Biden’s action.

Now that differs greatly from making a comparison
Person A - “during the Trump years unemployment dropped 1.7%”
Person B - “during Obama’s term unemployment dropped 5%”.
That’s a simple comparison. Not a Whataboutism. I can’t help you more than I’ve tried.

You Whataboutism over and over because you can’t help it.
Person A “Hey people tried to overthrow the capital and killed 5 people.”
You - “people ran rampant in Portland and 15 people died during a riot”. Nothing to do with one another but YOU try to equivocate the events in a Whataboutism. Rather than discussing the merits of what occurred at the Capitol somehow in your mind those things need to be discussed together.

One day you’ll grow beyond the limitations of your argument style. One day.

but whatabout if?

c'mon man
ohh grow up

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

He was born in Hawaii, which makes him American. And he’s 1/2 white which means even in your mind he has to be 1/2 right.

He was born in kenya!

That hawaii birth certificate was forged!

All the other drivel is racist! Please refrain from that.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

He was born in Hawaii, which makes him American. And he’s 1/2 white which means even in your mind he has to be 1/2 right.

If he was all black he never would have been nominated. Jot that down on the back of your race card.

[pfunkdenver]

Originally Posted by winn dixie

He was born in kenya!

That hawaii birth certificate was forged!

All the other drivel is racist! Please refrain from that.

Originally Posted by Levianon17

If he was all black he never would have been nominated. Jot that down on the back of your race card.

Yeah...neither of these guys judge people, based on race.

[GastonGlock]

Originally Posted by pfunkdenver

Yeah...neither of these guys judge people, based on race.

there are two kinds of people in this world:

1.) People who judge others based on race or culture.

2.) Liars who say they don't.

[pfunkdenver]

Originally Posted by GastonGlock

there are two kinds of people in this world:

1.) People who judge others based on race or culture.

2.) Liars who say they don't.

I disagree. I judge people based on what they accomplish (or don't).

Apparently, based on your post, YOU judge people based on race and culture. Sad...

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by pfunkdenver

I disagree. I judge people based on what they accomplish (or don't).

Apparently, based on your post, YOU judge people based on race and culture. Sad...

When someone is always bringing up race, theyre usually racists! just sayin'

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by pfunkdenver

Yeah...neither of these guys judge people, based on race.

I judge people on their character and the amount of guts they have. I've noticed through the quality of your posts you have neither.

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by winn dixie

When someone is always bringing up race, theyre usually racists! just sayin'

I suppose you would know. Have you seen your posts.

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

I suppose you would know. Have you seen your posts.

uhhhhhhhh?

Yeah I write them so I see them!

It is you that always brings race to the discussion. Even though race was not the issue!

I'm sorry you seem so hate filled. I see people where you see race! Thats pretty evident.

[GastonGlock]

Originally Posted by pfunkdenver

I disagree. I judge people based on what they accomplish (or don't).

Apparently, based on your post, YOU judge people based on race and culture. Sad...

so we'll put you down for #2 then...

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Now that differs greatly from making a comparison
Person A - “during the Trump years unemployment dropped 1.7%”
Person B - “during Obama’s term unemployment dropped 5%”.
That’s a simple comparison. Not a Whataboutism. I can’t help you more than I’ve tried.

Hedonist, for your further enlightenment, this is a simple comparison,

Person A - "During the Obama years unemployment averaged 7.36%."
Person B - "During the Trump years unemployment averaged 5.01%."

Those numbers include both the 2009 and 2020 recessions.

And, by the way, the drop in unemployment from the beginning to the end of the Obama administration was 2.1% if you use 12/31/2008 to 12/31/16, or 3.7% if you use 3/31/2009 to 3/31/2017. The only way you get a 5% drop is if you use a starting date around the end of 2009 or beginning of 2010, a year into Obama's first term. If you apply the same standard to Trump, then you should say that unemployment during the Trump years dropped 6.3%, being the period from 6/30/2020 to 12/31/2020.

[bf0082]

Originally Posted by Tiny

The definition of socialism is a system where the government controls and owns the means of production. It currently only exists in a relatively pure form in Cuba and North Korea. Why? Because it doesn't work. It created great poverty and suffering, and was abandoned.

You can't honestly believe that the USA would fall into the category of NK or Cuba... FFS we have everything we need in resources... those two examples of failed socialism are depleted of almost every natural resource known on Earth. Instead of the US government collecting on oil, they allow the land owners to profit, or the natural gas, they allow private companies to reap the rewards instead of making it National Revenue. The Wealth of this country in resources is what makes us so POWERFUL and allows us the ability to spend 700 billion annually on military to protect our wealth.

Comparing USA to any other Countries economic system is a waste of time, and will never yield the results you expect.

[bf0082]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I on the other hand believe free markets and smaller government benefit the majority of people. History has shown that to be correct.

Government is number one employer by far in this country. millions and millions of people are paid in collected taxes, including our military.

A huge far distant #2 is walmart with 2 million employees....

We are corporate socialists, we allow corporations to deplete our resources while moving their profits into other countries while contributing nothing back in taxes, they are disgusting vile slugs who need to be broken apart and allowed fair competition by small business.

The government has been subsidizing corporations minimum wage with food stamps and medicaid for decades, trickle down isn't real. 4 Trillion spent giving companies money to pay their employees during this pandemic and almost no economic growth, trickle down is absolute garbage.

4 trillion spent by giving it to the people, $50,000 to every American who paid income taxes in 2019, would be 90 million people and cost $4.5T

The economic boom would have been the greatest boost to the economy ever, smart people would invest in small business and those too stupid to run a business would be consumers and buy the products we consume.