Is The Grand Ole Party Dead

[GastonGlock]

You can call me racist all you want, I don't give a fuck.

I know what I said, and if you want to use it to get on your victim soapbox, that's your business.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by GastonGlock

You can call me racist all you want, I don't give a fuck.

I know what I said, and if you want to use it to get on your victim soapbox, that's your business.

We are all biased. Some confuse that for racism.

What I called you was I'll informed on voter suppression laws and tactics.

[rexdutchman]

Only thing suppressed is freedoms ( ism for all now including animals just wow )

[WTF]

Originally Posted by rexdutchman

Only thing suppressed is freedoms ( ism for all now including animals just wow )

Don't forget about your closeted suppression

[rexdutchman]

PETA is now in the ism for animals ITS all idiotism

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Most allegations of voter suppression revolve around access and disincentive. Things like disproportionate numbers of machines in white neighborhoods over black neighborhoods. I cannot personally (rather anecdotally) know whether that is correct since where I live there were 15 machines in the last runoff election which meant that there was no wait whatsoever. I have heard that at other polling stations they had 5-7 machines. But since I cannot speak to population density or number of registered voters (or prevalence of voters actually voting) but the word was that lines there were an hour whereas my wait was zero.

Is that anecdotal evidence evidence from cities and voting districts controlled by Democrats?

Originally Posted by WTF

Strict voter photo ID laws

Closing of DMV’s in strict voter ID law states

Failure to accept government-issued state university and college student ID’s

No early voting

Early voting cuts

No Sunday Souls to the Polls Early Voting

Harsh requirements/punishments for voter registration groups

Tough Deputy Registrar Requirements

Harsh voter registration compliance deadlines

Failure to timely process voter registrations

Cuts to Election Day (Same Day) registration

Polling place reductions or consolidations

Polling place relocations

Inadequate or poorly trained staffing at polls

Inadequate number of functioning machines, optical scanners, or electronic polling books

Running out of ballots at polling sites

No paper ballots

Failure to accept Native American tribal IDs.

Barring Native American voters through residential address requirements for Native American lands which have PO Boxes

Failure to place polling sites on Native American lands

Refusal to place polling sites on college campuses

Lack of available public transportation to polling sites

Excessive Voter purging

Disparate racial treatment at polling sites

Student voting restrictions

Residency

Ex-felon disenfranchisement laws

Requiring Payment of Fines or Fees As Condition of Vote Restoration

Failure to Inform Formerly Incarcerated Persons of Their Voting Rights or Eligibility to Vote

Excessive Use of Inactive voter lists

No Public Outreach or Notification to Voters Placed on Inactive Lists

Language discrimination

• Failure to accommodate

Lack of language-accessible materials

Failure to accommodate voters with disabilities

No disability accessibility

No Curbside Voting

Not enough disability accessible voting equipment

37. Barriers to assistance by family members or others for voters

38. Deceptive practices

• Flyers

• Robocalls

39. Voter intimidation

• Impersonating law enforcement personnel or immigration officers

40. Police at polling places

41. Racial gerrymandering

42. Creating polling place confusion by splitting Black precincts

43. Partisan gerrymandering

44. Barriers for homeless voters to voter registration

45. Voter caging

• Use of One-Time Post cards/Mailers

46. Voter challengers at polls

47. Voter challenges to voter registration lists

48. Use of Suspense lists

49. Absentee Ballot Short Return Deadlines

50. Exact match requirements for signatures or other information

51. Complicated Absentee Ballot Requirements

52. Proof of Citizenship Laws

513 Out-of-precinct = no vote counted requirements

54. Failure to pre-register 17 year olds

55. Restrictions on straight-party voting

56. Interstate voter registration Crosscheck system

57. Jailed persons’ preconviction: denied right to register and/or vote

58. DOJ demanding voter records

59. Employers not providing time off or enough time

60. Failure to assist or accommodate voters displaced by natural disasters

61. Long lines

Originally Posted by WTF

What you fail to mention is that there are voter suppression tactics other than voter ID laws that suppress minority voting.

Fewer voting places in black areas.

Fewer early voting days.

Voter ID laws make it more difficult for the poor, uneducated and elderly to vote.

I have experienced how difficult they have made it in Texas. Numerous trips to the DPS and then to get a birth certificate at another public building....even with their current ID in tow. None of which is free for the elderly and poor.

Voter suppression is alive and well.

Take Georgia for example. Three recounts. Hardly ang voter fraud despite record number of voters. Why a record number of voters? Because they made it easier to vote!

You voter fraud nuts are not looking at the facts.

You fuckers would shut down etrade because of a little fraud.

Not calling you that Docbutter. I have no idea your position.

So where's this voter suppression occurring? The long polling lines, the short hours, the shortened periods for early voting? Maybe in places controlled by Democrats that aren't run as efficiently? Republicans do a better job of running schools, city services and the like. I don't know why it shouldn't be better for polling stations too. It's understandable, because of the pool of people the two parties have to draw on, for candidates and political appointees. For example,

Small businessmen are Republicans. Lawyers are Democrats.

Engineers and accountants are Republicans. Academicians and journalists are Democrats.

Hard working blue collar workers and supervisors are Republicans. The purposefully unemployed (admittedly very few people) are Democrats.

Which do you think would run an election more efficiently?

There's a very good example of what I'm talking about higher in this thread. I won't re-post it here, because since you apparently are trying to give Hedonist and me a run for the money in the "Contributor with longest posts" category, this is already too long because of your quotes I included above. However, you can read it here, the italicized text.

https://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p...9&postcount=49

And you don't have a snowball's chance in hell of being more verbose than Hedonist or me. We've both got you beat by a mile, so give up.

[WTF]

Let's see here if I have this correct. You think Republicans can run an election more efficiently?

Before opening the link I provided...what areas provide the majority of GDP ? Republicans or Democrats?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/10/elec...s-economy.html

[WTF]

If you want to read an informed article on attempted voter suppression..


https://www.vox.com/22254482/republi...e-legislatures



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[Tiny]

Originally Posted by WTF

Let's see here if I have this correct. You think Republicans can run an election more efficiently?

Before opening the link I provided...what areas provide the majority of GDP ? Republicans or Democrats?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/10/elec...s-economy.html

Yes, I do think Republicans can run an election more efficiently than the Democrats who are running them in those areas like inner cities where voter suppression allegedly is occurring. Use the schools as an analogy:

https://assets.ctfassets.net/lwlwwgh...hools_copy.pdf

As to GDP and voting preferences, give it 10 or 15 years. After the most productive Californians and New Yorkers migrate to places like Texas and Florida, that will change. Of course Washington D.C. will continue to be a very prosperous place, as it sponges off the rest of us.

And as to your link, it's mostly about Biden flipping wealthy voting districts from Trump. That doesn't have anything to do with the ability of the respective parties to run local government, including elections, efficiently.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by WTF

If you want to read an informed article on attempted voter suppression..


https://www.vox.com/22254482/republi...e-legislatures



.

I'm not buying it. It goes back to what DucButter posted and what I said. These "voter suppresion laws" make no difference. They should rightly or wrongly give Republicans, and Democrats, more confidence fraud is not occurring. If certain laws truly are suppressing the votes of Republicans or Democrats, they'll be struck down by the judiciary.

[1blackman1]

The Grand Ole Party has been co-opted by Q. Well, they deserve to lose every seat.

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

The Grand Ole Party has been co-opted by Q. Well, they deserve to lose every seat.

Really?????

Im a staunch Conservative Republican. I think qanon is worthless journalism. On par with msnbc!

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by winn dixie

Really?????

Im a staunch Conservative Republican. I think qanon is worthless journalism. On par with msnbc!

You have the R part right but that’s about it.

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Yes, I do think Republicans can run an election more efficiently than the Democrats who are running them in those areas like inner cities where voter suppression allegedly is occurring. Use the schools as an analogy:

https://assets.ctfassets.net/lwlwwgh...hools_copy.pdf

As to GDP and voting preferences, give it 10 or 15 years. After the most productive Californians and New Yorkers migrate to places like Texas and Florida, that will change. Of course Washington D.C. will continue to be a very prosperous place, as it sponges off the rest of us.

And as to your link, it's mostly about Biden flipping wealthy voting districts from Trump. That doesn't have anything to do with the ability of the respective parties to run local government, including elections, efficiently.

You do realize that it’s the sec of states office that runs elections. And whether the city is run by dems or not has little to do with how the sec of state causes other issues. Dem states have about the same issues as Rep states. It’s generally an issue that stems from the state level in Dem cities. Just because you don’t want acknowledge that suppression exists doesn’t mean it doesn’t. Why do you think the federal courts have had to step in and monitor elections in rep states.

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Is that anecdotal evidence evidence from cities and voting districts controlled by Democrats?





So where's this voter suppression occurring? The long polling lines, the short hours, the shortened periods for early voting? Maybe in places controlled by Democrats that aren't run as efficiently? Republicans do a better job of running schools, city services and the like. I don't know why it shouldn't be better for polling stations too. It's understandable, because of the pool of people the two parties have to draw on, for candidates and political appointees. For example,

Small businessmen are Republicans. Lawyers are Democrats.

Engineers and accountants are Republicans. Academicians and journalists are Democrats.

Hard working blue collar workers and supervisors are Republicans. The purposefully unemployed (admittedly very few people) are Democrats.

Which do you think would run an election more efficiently?

There's a very good example of what I'm talking about higher in this thread. I won't re-post it here, because since you apparently are trying to give Hedonist and me a run for the money in the "Contributor with longest posts" category, this is already too long because of your quotes I included above. However, you can read it here, the italicized text.

https://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p...9&postcount=49

And you don't have a snowball's chance in hell of being more verbose than Hedonist or me. We've both got you beat by a mile, so give up.

This is about as asinine as you’ve written. I don’t even know where to start. I’ll just say this though. Lawyers are small businesses. And our firm has over 130 attorneys in 3 states and we represent some of the largest companies in the US and likely 80% of my partners are Republicans. And I’m loving ribbing the shit outta them over the Biden Admin, I digress.

Your generalization is truly crazy talk. The wealthiest cities and states in the US are all Dem controlled. The state of TX is the outlier but even it’s cities are Dem run. Comparing the efficient of Podunk Alabama with its 300 people and 1 street to a city of a million is ridiculous.

You know better than this. Don’t regress.