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[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

Wow. You just might get a reputation with that attitude, as the Black lawyer unwilling to acknowledge the injustice of non equal treatment of Blacks under the law. The "I don't care about your plight, take it up with the legislature" probably wouldn't fly with to many clients.



I guess all those lawyers all those years citing unequal justice under the law were just spinning their wheels. I hope none of you future clients see your post

I think many laws were changed over the years and that change started with lawyers in courtrooms opening the eyes of Legislators who sometimes can't see past the nose on their face.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

Son, you have missed it again.
You don't understand what this thread is about. Read the start of this thread.


OK, I went back to the beginning where you accused Ted Cruz of not being a patriot and that accusation seemed to be based on two things, going along with Trump and in the end, going to the floor of the House to object to certifying electors. I chose to argue the latter and in that argument, I presented evidence, sorry if presenting evidence offends your sensibilities, that Democrats had previously taken to the Hose floor to do the same thing and wondered out loud if people like yourself called them unpatriotic for that act and rather than acknowledge that Democrats did that, you chose to deflect from that fact. Now if you had acknowledged that "fact" which you didn't and then proceeded to tell me why you thought it had no bearing on the discussion, I could have respected that but you did not. And when someone can't bring themselves to acknowledge a fact, an inconvenient to their argument fact, it makes me suspicious of any further argument


There is no discussion of a judge and court for Mr. Cruz. That must be your idea.


Yes that is my idea. When somebody accuses someone of a crime, like inciting a riot, insurrection, I play it out in a court of law where such accusations belong. Once you accuse, you have a duty IMHO, to explain yourself with legal reasoning, hence, a judge and a jury.

I have no opinion of a like or dislike for Mr. Cruz. How could you possible know anything about that ? Yet you say I must dislike this guy.

Because you took the time to post an opinion that I assume you thought was well written and assume by which you agreed with said opinion and it was this that lead me to believe you indeed did have an opinion of Mr. Cruz and you indeed didn't like him because you considered him un-patriotic. In post # 7, you posted

The truth is that Sen. Cruz was not making the case of voter fraud that Trump was making. His and Hawley's argument was limited to what they saw as voting irregularities, hardly traitorous, that took place only in a couple of states. It seems like this argument is completely lost on many if not all of the left. They argued that certain states, Penn. being one, violated their own election laws by putting rules in place that were not authorized by the state Legislature as their Constitution requires. That is not a case of voter fraud, it is in fact very similar to the argument that Democrats made in "05 and '17. They said as Sen. Cruz said, they were concerned about voter irregularities and hoped there would be further discussion in Congress and that is why they took to the floor in Sen. Cruz's case, not to over turn the election, as you provided in the text you posted. He was merely making what he thought was an important point and that was turned into insurrection which Sen. Cruz took no part in and if tried in a court of law, in my opinion, would fail to get a conviction.



There are other senators mentioned in this thread.

Yes, the ones who objected to certifying the electors hence my want to discuss the subject.

At least you are taking the time to educate yourself.

I always do. I never take a position before hearing other opinions besides my own and oddly enough get criticized for it, all the "cutting and pasting" of other opinions. And again, I congratulate you for making the effort after I challenged you to find the speech under discussion even though as yet, you have not highlighted the words you think prove your accusation of inciting a riot.

For your reference, what you have just read is an opinion piece.

I gathered as much since opinions were included in the text of the speech

It is not written by me.

Got that to.

CNN is a corrupt network of slanted opinions. Good you are able to see others now.

While I might agree in general about CNN, it was less an opinion piece and more a statement of fact. It related exactly what happened in describing how Democrats took to the floor to object to electors being certified, something Democrats are now accusing Republicans of doing as un-patriotic. Can you now admit that on this issue, separate from all others, that in the past, Democrats did object to certifying electors because that is a fact and it is a fact that NOW, that act is being labeled as un-patriotic

[oeb11]

HF - well written - and a detailed examination of the flagrant hypocrisy of teh DPST/CCP hyena pack.
There is no Lie or hypocrisy beneath them.

The are amoral and dedicated to marxist revolution and total power to themselves as Nomenklatura.



To the disagreeing posters on this thread - Sirs -YOU missed the point HF made painstakingly, historically, and accurately!
"Whataboutism" - is a puerile, nonsensical response.

[VitaMan]

Sen. McConnell gave remarks today which respond well to the topic of this thread.


In his remarks Tuesday, McConnell said that "the last time the Senate convened, we had just reclaimed the Capitol from violent criminals who tried to stop Congress from doing our duty."

"They tried to use fear and violence to stop a specific proceeding of thefirst branch of the federal government, which they did not like," McConnell said.

"But we pressed on. We stood together and said an angry mob will not get veto power over the rule of law in our nation, not even for one night. We certified the people's choice for their 46th president."


McConnell's remarks also suggested that other leaders bore responsibility for the attack. Critics have called on some lawmakers, especially GOP Sens. Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley, to resign after they objected to key states' electoral results.

[oeb11]

Senators do not hld the same immunity to prosecution as does teh POTUS.

The DPST/CCP party can rev up their SDNY and DC prosecutors and Star Chamber actions - like their FISA courts - and go after them.



How many Republican Senators will be convicted of Trumped up charges and jailed by December 2021 - i bet 50 Senators !
The re-education camps and purges are a reality tomorrow.

anyone not DPST/CCP will teh object of hatred - and separated by the new Age Rulers from any protection of teh Rule of law.


https://constitution.congress.gov/br...ALDE_00001047/

Article I, Section 6, Clause 1:
The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.
This clause is practically obsolete. It applies only to arrests in civil suits, which were still common in this country at the time the Constitution was adopted.1 It does not apply to service of process in either civil2 or criminal cases.3 Nor does it apply to arrest in any criminal case. The phrase treason, felony or breach of the peace is interpreted to withdraw all criminal offenses from the operation of the privilege.4

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

Sen. McConnell gave remarks today which respond well to the topic of this thread.


In his remarks Tuesday, McConnell said that "the last time the Senate convened, we had just reclaimed the Capitol from violent criminals who tried to stop Congress from doing our duty."

"They tried to use fear and violence to stop a specific proceeding of thefirst branch of the federal government, which they did not like," McConnell said.

"But we pressed on. We stood together and said an angry mob will not get veto power over the rule of law in our nation, not even for one night. We certified the people's choice for their 46th president."


McConnell's remarks also suggested that other leaders bore responsibility for the attack. Critics have called on some lawmakers, especially GOP Sens. Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley, to resign after they objected to key states' electoral results.

So then in '05 and '17 when Democrats objected to certifying electors, they too should have resigned?


Yes, the mob tried to use fear and violence to stop the proceedings. Cruz and Hawley did exactly what federal statute ( shown below ) allowed them to do JUST LIKE DEMOCRATS DID! Do you really not understand this because I've explained it to you 3 times now by my count.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/15



3 U.S. Code § 15 - Counting electoral votes in Congress

Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision;

If objection to electors is unpatriotic, treasonous, incites violence and leads to insurrection, why the FUCK does a law allow such objections which Democrats did and Republicans did? It's OK for the Democrats to do but not Republicans?

[VitaMan]

This thread is not about Democrats. If you want to discuss Democrats, then start your own thread.

[1blackman1]

Whataboutism is their only argument.

[VitaMan]

[rexdutchman]

The swamp is a weapon ,,,,start of "dark winter" per the new fearless leader ,,,, Senility now

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

This thread is not about Democrats. If you want to discuss Democrats, then start your own thread.

You can't admit a fact. Tells me exactly what I wanted to know about you.

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

You can't admit a fact. Tells me exactly what I wanted to know about you.

Generalizable to all the DPST/ccp valued posters????

[VitaMan]

You can't get out of your own way, son. And your efforting on this one thread tells us a tremendous amount about you, more than we want to know. You don't know anything about me, except for the ass...umptions you already stated..which are incorrect. '

Psychologists would say you have an overbearing need to be proven correct, and need professional help...but I suppose that would be making an ass...umption.

If there was a symposium for Shingrix going on, you would be the one to say, "What about Zostavax" ? If you were working at KFC, and a customer ordered chicken, you would be the one to say "What about the gravy" ? Maybe you are working at KFC....but that would be an ass...umption.

Incidentally, Mr. Cruz has gotten into more trouble, even the mayor of Pittsburgh has had to make public statements about them. 3 major newspapers has called for his resignation.