Since it isn’t gonna change anything anyway ... Ted Cruz and a flock of dipshits intend to put on a Show for the faithful!!!

[Tsmokies]

It's obivous that the trump huggers cannot defend the corrupt politicians in Texas or the corrupt election in the abbot paxton kingdom of gop corruption

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Both Hawley and Cruz are expected to seek the GOP nomination for president in 2024, and their moves at this stage are widely seen as efforts to ingratiate themselves with Trump and his supporters. Cruz was runner-up to Trump in 2024.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/...205770.1.0.pdf

TED CRUZ FOR SENATE, and

RAFAEL EDWARD ("TED") CRUZ

Plaintiffs,

v.

FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION

Defendants.

FACTUAL BASIS FOR CLAIMS

22.

Section 304 of BCRA imposes a $250,000 limit on an authorized campaign committee’s use of post-election campaign contributions to repay a candidate’s personal campaign loans:

Any candidate who incurs personal loans made after the effective date of the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 in connection with the candidate’s campaign for election shall not repay (directly or indirectly), to the extent such loans exceed $250,000, such loans from any contributions made to such candidate or any authorized committee of such candidate after the date of such election.

52 U.S.C. § 30116(j).

[VitaMan]

There is something about this that reminds me of religious zealots, blasphemy, and the crusades.

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Dumbass is on ignore but I can see the OP...and since it was not going to change anything...Pelosi, Schiff, and Schumer went ahead and tried to remove Trump through impeachment costing us millions of dollars and lots of time when they should have been addressing China and Covid.
Now that is a real opening statement...

[Yssup Rider]

How many millions of dollars have been spent assuaging Trump’s fragile ego?

Sure, getting your ass handed to you every day by court after court in state after state is good theater.

But at some point you’ve got to acknowledge that it happened.

Barleycorn seems to think this is about impeachment ... which, as we all know, would have succeeded if not for Mitch McConnell.

But there seems to be a short term memory loss among Trumpites.

[Tiny]

Ron Johnson was on NBC this morning. He's one of Cruz's partners in this. He mentioned 1877 as an analogy for what these Senators are trying to do.

In that election, Samuel Tilden, the Democrat, won the popular vote by 3%. The disputed electoral votes were mostly in southern states that historically were strongholds for the Democratic Party. The Republicans managed to have them counted for their candidate, Rutherford B. Hayes.

Basically, the Republicans stole the election. They managed to keep the peace though by ending reconstruction in the south and throwing a lot of money to the southern states. They actually agreed to do that as part of the deal.

So perhaps there are some parallels with what's happening now. The Republican Senators want to overturn the results in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, which now are blue states.

The big difference is that there was actual voter fraud occurring in 1876 on a large scale. Also Biden this year won the electoral college and the popular vote more convincingly than Tilden. And all the states have certified the electoral results.

Here's the rest of the story, summarized from Wikipedia,

After the first round of votes, the 1876 election between Rutherford B. Hayes, Republican, and Samuel Tilden, Democrat, ended with Tilden at 184 votes and Hayes at 165 votes. A candidate needed 185 votes to win, and Florida, South Carolina, Louisiana and Oregon, accounting for 20 votes, were in dispute.

Florida, Louisiana and South Carolina all reported more votes for Tilden, the Democrat, who again only needed one more electoral vote to win. Those elections were marked by real (not imagined) electoral fraud and threats of violence against Republican voters.

I suspect you could safely say though that these southern, Democratic (in 1876) states would have voted for Tilden, in free and fair elections.

An electoral commission with representatives from the Supreme Court, the House and the Senate was appointed to come up with a solution. In a highly partisan vote, Hayes was awarded all 20 disputed electoral votes, and thus won, 185 to 184.

Democrats accepted the results peacefully, because Republicans agreed to withdraw federal troops from South Carolina and Louisiana, and to a lot of federal subsidies, including a Transcontinental railroad through the south.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...e_popular_vote

[Yssup Rider]

Same folks pulling for a Civil War will love that wiki.

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

There is something about this that reminds me of religious zealots, blasphemy, and the crusades.

There is still a large swath in certain states that want to be free to lynch you and I. With impunity. Be sanctioned by the government to do so. Be given arms by the government to do so. Walk away and just go home back to their state. Sound familiar?

That's how they want to make it great again. For them.



Your top questions about the crusades – answered


https://www.historyextra.com/period/...re-death-toll/

Q: What motivated the crusades that took place between 1095–1204?

A: This is a very large question. Historians have suggested several different motivations – religious, political, social, economic. To highlight a few definite motivating factors: I think the papacy granting a ‘remission of sins’ in the 12th century – which will eventually be formulated as the plenary indulgence – is a driving force. People want to be free from their sins, to try to wipe the slate clean, and they know that crusading will assure them that spiritual privilege. You only have to look at someone like Robert of Clari [a knight from Picardy] talking about the Fourth Crusade, saying people joined because the crusade indulgence was so great.

So they hate the government.

For not being able to do so.

[HedonistForever]

It doesn't appear that either House or Senate Republicans have the numbers to pull this off. This is not so much a ploy to change the election although it surely is for a few, but I believe for the most part, it is one more chance at a debate, to air one last grievance in a public debate and then it will be done.

The irony here, is that Republicans are doing exactly what Hillary suggested Biden should do if he lost. NEVER CONCEDE she said and she was loudly applauded. I remember one news report where Hillary was explaining this to one of her sycophants and she was so giddy, clapping her hands, she probably wet herself. Then we have Stacey Abrams, another Democrat who to this day will not concede she lost the Georgia Governors race which Democrats also applauded and she seemed to persuade her sister, a federal judge to join her in "the resistance" but her sister was over ruled.

Let's not pretend to be naive to the fact that if the roles were reversed, Democrats would be making the same fight with "voter suppression" being the point of the argument, not fraud because the suppression angle has worked so well for them in the past or so they believe. It's right up there next to racism as the answer to every question asked, voter suppression or racism.

Jan. 6th will come and it will go, Joe Biden will be President. The only question left is, what will that look like for the next 2 years.

Will this hurt the Republican party in 2022? We won't know till we see what 2 years of a new Democrat administration will produce. Considering what happened in the House with so many Democrats losing seats and I predict that Republicans will carry at least one Georgia Senate seat, I predict that people will weigh this act against what Democrats propose and make a judgement based on that.

[Yssup Rider]

Well said, HF.

However, the shoe is NOT on the other foot.

The GOPists staging this protest might as well be wearing MAGS pussy caps when they stand up to overthrow our Democracy.

[Munchmasterman]

All because of you and yours. Your baseless claims don't rate investigations. The claims that had some evidence have been investigated. That's how they know only 2 dead people voted in Georgia.

No one said there were no fraud or mistake votes. Even Barr said there is no wide spread cases.

No evidence, no investigation.

What's unbelievable is the trumpys disregarded all the evidence in the Mueller report and when trump was impeached.

Now there is no evidence and the trumpys want to overturn the election.

Stay in trumpland.

Originally Posted by winn dixie

Why are dims so scared of any kind of a real investigation into voter fraud.
Voter confidence has never been lower!

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Ron Johnson was on NBC this morning. He's one of Cruz's partners in this. He mentioned 1877 as an analogy for what these Senators are trying to do.

In that election, Samuel Tilden, the Democrat, won the popular vote by 3%. The disputed electoral votes were mostly in southern states that historically were strongholds for the Democratic Party. The Republicans managed to have them counted for their candidate, Rutherford B. Hayes.

Basically, the Republicans stole the election. They managed to keep the peace though by ending reconstruction in the south and throwing a lot of money to the southern states. They actually agreed to do that as part of the deal.

So perhaps there are some parallels with what's happening now. The Republican Senators want to overturn the results in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, which now are blue states.

The big difference is that there was actual voter fraud occurring in 1876 on a large scale. Also Biden this year won the electoral college and the popular vote more convincingly than Tilden. And all the states have certified the electoral results.

Here's the rest of the story, summarized from Wikipedia,

After the first round of votes, the 1876 election between Rutherford B. Hayes, Republican, and Samuel Tilden, Democrat, ended with Tilden at 184 votes and Hayes at 165 votes. A candidate needed 185 votes to win, and Florida, South Carolina, Louisiana and Oregon, accounting for 20 votes, were in dispute.

Florida, Louisiana and South Carolina all reported more votes for Tilden, the Democrat, who again only needed one more electoral vote to win. Those elections were marked by real (not imagined) electoral fraud and threats of violence against Republican voters.

I suspect you could safely say though that these southern, Democratic (in 1876) states would have voted for Tilden, in free and fair elections.

An electoral commission with representatives from the Supreme Court, the House and the Senate was appointed to come up with a solution. In a highly partisan vote, Hayes was awarded all 20 disputed electoral votes, and thus won, 185 to 184.

Democrats accepted the results peacefully, because Republicans agreed to withdraw federal troops from South Carolina and Louisiana, and to a lot of federal subsidies, including a Transcontinental railroad through the south.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...e_popular_vote

The fact that you don't recognize voter irregularities occurring across many states throws tons of doubt on your opinion about anything. This is more than Trump like the left tries to argue. This is about elections this cycle and future elections to come. While everyone in the media is talking about Trump there have also been some irregularities in congressional and senate elections. Some have not even been called yet as they keep "finding" uncounted votes.

I notice that you forgot to mention David Davis. An honest man who did the most improbable thing in Washington DC, he did the right thing. Thinking he would be a good man to have the deciding vote on the commission, he was offered the job as Senator (most senators were not elected in those days.) He resigned from the Supreme Court in order to take the job as Senator and thus could not vote on the outcome of the election case. Now the republicans did the obvious thing and tried to grab the election for Hayes and the southern democrats made the corrupt decision to betray Tilden in order to end Reconstruction and put the blacks back into their places with Jim Crow. Another aspect of the election was multiple slates of electors from southern states. The GOP had many freedmen as electors while the democrats supported the KKK slates.

[Strokey_McDingDong]

H I M won.

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

All because of you and yours. Your baseless claims don't rate investigations. The claims that had some evidence have been investigated. That's how they know only 2 dead people voted in Georgia.

No one said there were no fraud or mistake votes. Even Barr said there is no wide spread cases.

No evidence, no investigation.

What's unbelievable is the trumpys disregarded all the evidence in the Mueller report and when trump was impeached.

Now there is no evidence and the trumpys want to overturn the election.

Stay in trumpland.

The trick word is "widespread". The fraud was targeted to six states and it was not widespread. It was in a few counties and cities that could be counted on to have corrupt officials. So, a "straight arrow" like Barr could say with complete honestly that he saw "no widespread fraud". Forget plain old irregularities and incompetence. Forget that fact that Barr had not seen all the evidence which he said so.

[winn dixie]

Although I dont care for cruz. I think what this group is doing is needed and admirable!
Shows that we know what the dims did to fix the election and that its treasonous. They should all be commended for their love of this Country!