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				Studies on Wuhan virus indicate the incidence of teh virus is higher than previously  estiamted , and the mortality rate is much less.
			 
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			Los Angeles study backs Stanford researchers' conclusion about high prevalence of COVID-19
 USC researchers, who collaborated with Stanford, concluded that  about 4% of Los Angeles County residents were infected with virus
https://paloaltoonline.com/news/2020...ce-of-covid-19
Days after Stanford University researchers issued an early draft of a study suggesting that  up to 81,000 residents of Santa Clara County  had been infected by COVID-19 as of early April, a team at the  University of Southern California (USC) released its own serological  study that similarly concludes that the disease is far more widespread —  and less deadly — than official estimates indicate. 
 The study by USC and the Los Angeles Department of Public Health  concluded that between 2.8% and 4.6% of the adult population in Los  Angeles County has an antibody to the virus. This translates to between  221,000 and 442,000 adults — an estimate that is 28 to 55 times higher  than the roughly 8,000 confirmed cases that the county had in early  April, when the study was conducted. 
 Led by Neeraj Sood, a USC professor of public policy, the study took  blood samples from 863 people who were randomly selected from a list  obtained through a marketing firm. According to Sood, 4.1% of those  people tested positive for COVID-19. The rate was adjusted to  incorporate the statistical margin of error, which was assessed at a lab  at Stanford University using blood samples that were positive and  negative for COVID-19, according to the university. 
 The methodology differed slightly from the Stanford study of 3,330  people, which relied on targeted Facebook ads to find participants for  its  finger-prick exams,  which took place on April 3 and 4. The Los Angeles study, which relied  on testing at six sites on April 10 and April 11, had fewer  participants, though USC had indicated that it is just the first round  in a series of antibody-testing studies. 
 But researchers from Stanford and USC, who collaborated on the  studies, found plenty of similarities in their test results. The  Stanford study concluded that the number of COVID-19 cases in Santa  Clara County is 50 to 80 times higher than the number of confirmed  cases. The USC one also found that the number of cases is likely far  higher than experts had projected. 
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     Because so many residents with COVID-19 have not been officially  tested, both studies conclude that the two counties' mortality rates  based on confirmed cases are far higher than mortality rates based on  the two studies' estimated numbers of infections. 
 The Stanford study, led by Assistant Professor Eran Bendavid,  concluded that the mortality rate in Santa Clara County is between 0.12%  and 0.2%. (In contrast, the county's mortality rate based solely on  official cases and deaths as of last Friday, April 17, was 3.9%.) 
 Sood likewise said  at a Monday news conference  that because the number of infections in Los Angeles County cases  appears to be so much higher than the number of confirmed cases, the  actual mortality rate is lower. 
 "Maybe the good news is that the fatality rate is lower than what we thought it would be," Sood said. 
 He added, however, that this shouldn't be the only number that the  county focuses on. The study's finding that 4% of the county's  population has been infected suggests that "we are very early in the  epidemic and many more people in Los Angeles County could potentially be  infected."
 
 
                                          
                 
           
 
                      
 
                                                                                                                                                                                               Comments (1)Estimation  of Individual Probabilities of COVID-19 Infection, Hospitalization, and  Death From A County-level Contact of Unknown infection Status
          View ORCID ProfileRajiv Bhatia, Jeffrey Klausner 
          doi:  https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.06.06.20124446 This  article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this  mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and  so should not be used to guide clinical practice.
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Abstract Objective: Our objective is to demonstrate a method to estimate the  probability of a laboratory confirmed COVID19 infection,  hospitalization, and death arising from a contact with an individual of  unknown infection status.   Methods:  We calculate the probability of a confirmed infection,  hospitalization, and death resulting from a county-level person-contact  using available data on current case incidence, secondary attack rates,  infectious periods, asymptomatic infections, and ratios of confirmed  infections to hospitalizations and fatalities. Results: Among US counties with populations greater than 500,000 people,  during the week ending June 13,2020, the median estimate of the county  level probability of a confirmed infection is 1 infection in 40,500  person contacts (Range: 10,100 to 586,000). For a 50 to 64 year-old  individual, the median estimate of the county level probability of a  hospitalization is 1 in 709,000 person contacts (Range: 177,000 to  10,200,000) and the median estimate of the county level probability of a  fatality is 1 in 6,670,000 person contacts (Range 1,680,000 to  97,600.000).  Conclusions and Relevance:  Estimates of the individual probabilities of  COVID19 infection, hospitalization and death vary widely but may not  align with public risk perceptions. Systematically collected and  publicly reported data on infection incidence by, for example, the  setting of exposure, type of residence and occupation would allow more  precise estimates of probabilities than possible with currently  available public data. Calculation of secondary attack rates by setting  and better measures of the prevalence of seropositivity would further  improve those estimates. 
 
 
 
 
Very interesting - reports that both the incidence is much more prevalent than previously thought - and hospitalization/mortality rate - and particularly  in peole aged 50-64 - is much lower than previously estimated.  
 
 
 
The LSM rags and DPST acolytes are already swcraming in rebuttal to  save their narrative of a horribly vicious , highly fatal virus that requires the demolition of the economy and imprisonment at home of all citizens - in order to further the plan to get citizens used to marxist repression and accept it as 'good for the people".  
 
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Study challenges reports of low fatality rate for COVID-19 
 
A comparison of daily deaths in Italy since January 2020 with those  over the previous five years there indicates that the fatality rate in  that country for those infected with the new coronavirus is at least  0.8%, far higher than that of the seasonal flu and higher than some  recent estimates. 
 Extrapolating from the Italian data, University of California,  Berkeley, and Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory data scientists  estimate that the fatality rate in New York City and Santa Clara County  in California can be no less than 0.5%, or one of every 200 people  infected. 
 These conclusions contrast with those of a study posted online last  week by Stanford University epidemiologists, who pegged the fatality  rate at between 0.1% and 0.2%. An affiliated team from the University of  Southern California (USC) this week reported a similar fatality rate in  Los Angeles. 
 “Their final number is much lower than our estimate,” said senior  author Uros Seljak, a UC Berkeley professor of physics, faculty  scientist at Berkeley Lab and member of the Berkeley Institute for Data  Science. He also is co-director of the Berkeley Center for Cosmological  Physics (BCCP). 
 Seljak says that getting COVID-19 doubles your chance of dying this year. 
 “If you want to know what are the chances of dying from COVID-19 if  you get infected, we observed that a very simple answer seems to fit a  lot of data: It is the same as the chance of you dying over the next 12  months from normal causes,” said Seljak. 
 Current uncertainties can push this number down to 10 months or up to  20 months, he added. His team discovered that this simple relation  holds not only for the overall fatality rate, but also for the age  stratified fatality rate, and it agrees with the data both in Italy and  in the U.S. 
 “Our observation suggests COVID-19 kills the weakest segments of the population,” Seljak said. 
 The paper was posted online Monday on MedRxiv in advance of peer review and submission to a journal. 
 Italy’s deaths twice the official count 
 The study by Seljak and his colleagues predicts that the true number  of deaths in Italy from COVID-19 is more than twice the official figure:  around 50,000 people, as of April 18. The country’s official statistics  listed more than 150,000 confirmed cases, as of that date, and more  than 20,000 attributed deaths. 
  COVID-19  patients in an intensive care unit in a hospital in Bergamo, Italy, one  of he worst hit areas of the country, on March 19. (Image courtesy of  Sky News) 
 
 The difference, the researchers say, is likely due to many deaths  among older people that have not been counted in the official Italian  statistics. The team found a much higher fatality rate for those over 70  years of age: In Lombardy, a region hit hard by the pandemic, those  between 70 and 79 had a 2.3% infection fatality rate, while those 80 to  89 had an almost 6% fatality rate. Nearly 13% of those over 90 died. 
 In comparison, those 40 to 49 had a 0.04% fatality rate. 
 These differing fatality rates can explain the observed higher number  of deaths among younger people in New York City. Because the population  there is younger than in Italy, more deaths among young people are  expected, despite their lower fatality rate. The researchers predict  that about 26% of all deaths from COVID-19 in New York City will be  among those younger than 65. 
 The population of Italy, on the other hand, is older, yielding a  higher overall fatality rate for the country’s population: 0.8%, versus  0.5% for New York. Only 10% of Italian deaths will be younger than 65. 
 The team also estimated, based on the predicted fatality rate for  those infected with the new coronavirus and the positivity rate for  those tested for COVID-19 in New York City, that about one-quarter of  that city’s population has been infected with the virus. This agrees  with the recent announcement by New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo of 21%  infection. 
 The team’s predicted infection rate for Santa Clara is around 1%,  while that for Los Angeles is around 2%, based on current mortality  rates. 
 Given known infection and fatality rates on the Diamond Princess  cruise ship, the team also calculated an upper limit on the fatality  rate for those infected: about twice the lower limit, or 1%, for New  York City and Santa Clara County. 
 Uncertainty fueled by lack of diagnostic tests 
 
Uncertainty about the fatality rate for those infected by the new virus,  dubbed SARS-CoV-2, resulted from delays in testing, due to a shortage  of test kits and testing labs. This left public health officials in the  dark about the true rate of infection in the general population, which  is needed to calculate what percentage of infected people die. 
  Intensive care unit in Bergamo, Italy, on March 19. (Image courtesy of Sky News) 
 
 The Stanford study estimated an infection rate in Santa Clara County  of between 2.5% and 4.2% of residents, whereas the USC study estimated  an infection rate in Los Angeles between 2.8% and 5.6%. Both are much  higher than previous estimates, which means the number of confirmed  COVID-positive deaths relative to those infected dropped to a low of  0.2%. 
 Based on these studies, some of the Stanford authors have argued that  COVID-19 is little worse than the seasonal flu, casting doubt on  decisions to mandate shelter-in-place and the closing of many  businesses. 
 “Of course, it (the infection fatality rate) matters, for policy  decisions,” Seljak said. “Is this just a bad case of flu, as they would  like to claim, or is it something much more serious?” 
 To answer that question, Seljak and his colleagues mined a previously  untapped source of data: the daily death rate for 1,688 towns in Italy  between Jan. 1 and April 4 for the years 2015 through 2020, provided by  the Italian Institute of Statistics. The excess deaths between January  and April of this year, presumably due to COVID-19, can be used to  calculate a lower limit for the death rate from the virus. 
 “The dataset is a treasure trove for statistical analysis of COVID-19  mortality,” Seljak said. “For example, it can give mortality rate as a  function of age better than any other data out there, a sad consequence  of tens of thousands of deaths from COVID-19 in Italy. With this data,  we established that if one gets infected and is above 90 years of age,  the probability of dying is at least 10%, because that is the fraction  of the entire population of Bergamo province in this age group that  died. In contrast, the corresponding number for ages 40 to 49 is 0.04%,  far lower than previous estimates.” 
 The Lombardy region of Italy, for example, was a viral hotspot, with  the province of Bergamo hardest hit: The infection spread to so many  people in Bergamo — likely two-thirds of the population, if not the  entire population — that it is possible that so-called herd immunity has  set in, Seljak said. That means that enough people are immune, at least  temporarily, to stanch the spread of the virus among the the  uninfected. 
 With essentially everyone in Bergamo infected, and the known deaths  since January — predicted to be more than 6,000 out of a population of 1  million — it was easy to calculate the lowest possible infected  fatality rate: 0.56%. 
 For Lombardy, the researchers estimated that the lowest possible  fatality rate was even higher: about 0.84%. They also estimated that 23%  of the population of Lombardy was infected, as of April 18 — on  average, 35 times the number of positive tests in the province. 
 The team conducted an analysis for all Italian towns that reported  daily death data and for all age groups, using a counterfactual  analysis: estimating the expected number of deaths daily between January  and April 2020, based on the previous five years, and comparing those  numbers with reported deaths. The excess is assumed to be due to  COVID-19. The researchers employed statistical methods often used in  analyzing large sets of data: the Conditional Mean with a Gaussian  process (CGP) and a Synthetic Control Method (SCM). 
 In nearly all towns, the excess deaths in early 2020 exceeded the official count attributed to COVID-19. 
 The numbers the team came up with are lower limits, the researchers  emphasize, since deaths in many Italian towns are not fully up to date. 
 “Some of my colleagues think that we have been overly conservative,  which might be true,” Seljak said. “We have just accounted for the  people who have died up until today, but people are still dying.” 
 The first author of the paper is Chirag Modi, a physics graduate  student in BCCP. Other co-authors are postdoctoral fellows Vanessa Böhm  and George Stein and research scientist Simone Ferraro of Berkeley Lab  and the BCCP, and former Miller Fellow at UC Berkeley. 
 
 
 
 
 The Marxist DPST's are not about to give up their Wuhan virus tool to control and imprison the people.  Their hysteria is clearly evident with diatribes against evidence the Wuhan virus is less dangerous than their marxist thugocracy narrative.  
Google it for yourself - though on the front google page - it is filled with reports supporting the DPST narrative - google does not tolerate dissenting opinions any more than they can get away with. They are a prime player in restricting free speechi9n America .  Their marxist repression of free Speech is very clear.  
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			09-04-2020, 08:57 AM
			
			
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			Google and the govt have to keep the COVID ruse up in order to enable the mail in balloting debacle. 
 
My guess is after the election results are "settled" COVID will be a thing of the past.  The vaccine will be an afterthought.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
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				Google and the govt have to keep the COVID ruse up in order to enable the mail in balloting debacle. 
			
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Not to mention Amazon to keep the online-purchases-mailed-to-home business thriving ... while the lack of small businesses depresses the job market and consumer spending (except with Amazon!).
 
Some are supporting the notion that the upswing in the market is because of an impending vaccine (the connection hasn't been explained yet), but ignoring the upswing in Trump's standings verses the BoobsyTwins....Bitten&Kumola.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			Putin and LSM are trumpeting the russia vaccine - if first out the DPST's will flock to it - and make it mandatory for every US citizen - they may opt out their illegals as part of payment for 'ballot harvesting'.  
 
Does Putin's vaccine contain a thought modifier to convert recipients to marxism - harris and ilk certainly hope so.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
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Bezos is an ardent marxist DPST supporter - other than AOC they love his contributions - and will make amazon the national goods purveyor after marxism is established!
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			LSM Dim-wit s soros etc big pharma Google and the govt have to keep the COVID ruse up in order to enable the mail in balloting debacle.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			Oeb, 
This is not current news. 
These issues and discussions thereon were published at least a few months ago.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			Oeb, As Unique Carpenter says, the California data is getting old. You have to give the USC researchers credit though for selecting participants randomly instead of through a Facebook page, which is I think what the Stanford study did.  (If you advertise for people to take antibody tests, you'll get more response from people who think they had Covid.) 
The only approved antibody test when these studies were conducted was Cellex's.  This suffers from a high % of false positives when the percentage of the population infected is low:
 https://www.aafp.org/afp/2020/0701/p5a.html
Interpolating the table linked above, the false positives would have been sufficient to drag an actual infection rate of 2.3% of the population up by 70% to 3.9% who tested positive.  So the estimated infection fatality ratio you'd estimate, if you assume 3.9% of the population is infected when only 2.3% really is, would be low.  I'll also point out than Ioannidis, the professor who's spearheaded Stanford studies, make a huge mistake in estimating the infection fatality rate for the Diamond Princess based on the number of people who had died as of the date he wrote is article. He came up with 1% when the true number ended up being 1.9%, because of people who died later.  I suspect the same thing may be going on here.
 
I note from what you posted that an Italian researcher is estimating a  minimum infection fatality ratio of 0.56% in one part of Italy and 0.84% in another part.  No doubt Santa Clara County, a relatively wealthy place which has average household income of $116,000, would have better health care than most places, so probably a lower infection fatality ratio. Also the median age, around 36 years, is less than the 38 year median for the USA and 47 years for Italy.  Still I don't think 0.12% is reasonable.  In New York City, there have been 23,700 deaths among a population of 8.4 million.  That's 0.28% of the population, disregarding that a large % of the population in NYC was never infected.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
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