Is the local hobby scene as bad as this board makes it seem?

[pensfan123456]

So a wise man once told me:

If you meet one asshole in the morning, you met an asshole.

If you meet nothing but assholes all day, you ARE the asshole.

[El-mo]

Originally Posted by bambino

Yeah, nobody in Pittsburgh supported this team:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971...Regular_season

Racists love their black sports heroes. Not so much their black coaches though. But that’s neither here nor there. The ability of a city to embrace a handful of life people does not diminish its inherent racism.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by El-mo

Racists love their black sports heroes. Not so much their black coaches though. But that’s neither here nor there. The ability of a city to embrace a handful of life people does not diminish its inherent racism.

If you say so.

[Chase7]

Would the haters of the world please inform me of what city you don't feel is racist.

First Ive been informed of this, if you don't like a coach and he's a person of color that makes you a racist.
I wasn't aware this is a fact. It must be true you can learn something new every day.

Does anyone know anything about this. If you don't like a coach and he's considered white what would that make you, if anything?

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Chase7

Would the haters of the world please inform me of what city you don't feel is racist.

First Ive been informed of this, if you don't like a coach and he's a person of color that makes you a racist.
I wasn't aware this is a fact. It must be true you can learn something new every day.

Does anyone know anything about this. If you don't like a coach and he's considered white what would that make you, if anything?

I guess the Rooney’s are Racist too. They were just faking the Rooney rule to piss off their fans.

[El-mo]

Originally Posted by Chase7

Would the haters of the world please inform me of what city you don't feel is racist.

First Ive been informed of this, if you don't like a coach and he's a person of color that makes you a racist.
I wasn't aware this is a fact. It must be true you can learn something new every day.

Does anyone know anything about this. If you don't like a coach and he's considered white what would that make you, if anything?

I’m not particularly invested in arguing about race relations in Pittsburgh, but if you aren’t aware that Pittsburgh has a reputation as a racist city, you should probably get out more.

The racism in Pittsburgh is so deep and pervasive, it’s been declared a public health crisis. You’d be hard-pressed to find a city anywhere near Pittsburgh’s size with as large of a Black population without a single middle class black neighborhood. These things don’t happen by accident, but again, you guys don’t want to engage in this topic in earnest, and it’s not my interest in arguing with people who aren’t arguing in good faith.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by El-mo

I’m not particularly invested in arguing about race relations in Pittsburgh, but if you aren’t aware that Pittsburgh has a reputation as a racist city, you should probably get out more.

The racism in Pittsburgh is so deep and pervasive, it’s been declared a public health crisis. You’d be hard-pressed to find a city anywhere near Pittsburgh’s size with as large of a Black population without a single middle class black neighborhood. These things don’t happen by accident, but again, you guys don’t want to engage in this topic in earnest, and it’s not my interest in arguing with people who aren’t arguing in good faith.

City Council declared it a public health crisis. They followed Madison and Milwaukee Wisconsin. Seems like the Badger state isn’t too great for AA’s either. What type of health hazard does Chicago have?

Here are other cities that are declaring racism as a public health issue:

https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/researc...counties?amp=1

Basically, everyone’s a racist

[El-mo]

Originally Posted by bambino

City Council declared it a public health crisis. They followed Madison and Milwaukee Wisconsin. Seems like the Badger state isn’t too great for AA’s either. What type of health hazard does Chicago have?

Chicago has a healthy and robust Black middle-class, and five really dangerous neighborhoods. Chicago isn’t even among the 20 most dangerous US cities, but racists love to “what about Chicago”. I’m no longer going to discuss issues of race with you, because I take them seriously and you do not. Cheers.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by El-mo

Chicago has a healthy and robust Black middle-class, and five really dangerous neighborhoods. Chicago isn’t even among the 20 most dangerous US cities, but racists love to “what about Chicago”. I’m no longer going to discuss issues of race with you, because I take them seriously and you do not. Cheers.

At least I post citations. You blurt out what ever you hear. I take things seriously. You seem to run as soon as your beliefs are challenged. The Black middle class has eroded since the 40’’s. For many reasons. Not all are exclusive to Pittsburgh. CYa.

The utopia you call Chicago:

https://www.wbez.org/stories/what-ca...e-51d148fa236c

[bkfantasy]

Originally Posted by El-mo

You’d be hard-pressed to find a city anywhere near Pittsburgh’s size with as large of a Black population without a single middle class black neighborhood. These things don’t happen by accident, but again, you guys don’t want to engage in this topic in earnest, and it’s not my interest in arguing with people who aren’t arguing in good faith.

I am sympathetic to your argument that Pittsburgh is more racist than average. However, arguing that other cities do a better job of segregating their middle class neighborhoods by race is not a winning argument for you.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by El-mo

The racism in Pittsburgh is so deep and pervasive, it’s been declared a public health crisis.

Wait, so some useless group of liberal politicians made some BS statement pandering to their liberal base and you take it as gospel. LOL

Originally Posted by El-mo

You’d be hard-pressed to find a city anywhere near Pittsburgh’s size with as large of a Black population without a single middle class black neighborhood.

So you favor segregation. OK then.

[El-mo]

Originally Posted by bkfantasy

I am sympathetic to your argument that Pittsburgh is more racist than average. However, arguing that other cities do a better job of segregating their middle class neighborhoods by race is not a winning argument for you.

Every older, established, city is segregated, because racial housing covenants were the law of the land. Black people were not allowed to live in other neighborhoods. These people didn’t all jump up and leave their communities as soon as it became legal to do so, because they did not find those communities deficient.

Pittsburgh is also highly segregated, but all of its Black neighborhoods are poor. Again, that doesn’t happen by accident.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by El-mo

Every older, established, city is segregated, because racial housing covenants were the law of the land. Black people were not allowed to live in other neighborhoods. These people didn’t all jump up and leave their communities as soon as it became legal to do so, because they did not find those communities deficient.

Pittsburgh is also highly segregated, but all of its Black neighborhoods are poor. Again, that doesn’t happen by accident.

Seems to me that Penn Hills, Churchill and Monroeville have a high number of AA’s living there. West Mifflin too. Those are considered middle class.

[bkfantasy]

Originally Posted by El-mo

Every older, established, city is segregated, because racial housing covenants were the law of the land. Black people were not allowed to live in other neighborhoods. These people didn’t all jump up and leave their communities as soon as it became legal to do so, because they did not find those communities deficient.

Pittsburgh is also highly segregated, but all of its Black neighborhoods are poor. Again, that doesn’t happen by accident.

For centuries, black folks were the victims of systematic racism that at first enslaved them and then segregated them. Despite isolated success stories, this prevented the vast majority of black folks from bettering their station in life and accumulating wealth and influence that could have been passed on to the next generation. In essence, each generation of black folks had to start from zero. The impact still echoes today.

I have no doubt that racism is still a factor as to why black economic, health, and educational outcomes lag. However, I do not believe systematic racism is the primary driver of these lagging outcomes TODAY. The key to fixing these outcomes is to create a culture that:

-prioritizes education
-emphasizes the importance of stable family life

Asian-american culture prioritizes to the point of fetishizing these 2 things... and they are killing it in this country. If you want to say that historic systematic racism is the reason schools in black neighborhoods are failing and is the reason why most black kids are born to single mothers, I won't argue. But nobody has a time machine to fix that. Eliminating all racism wouldn't solve those culture issues even if it were possible.

Anyway, we were talking about why Pittsburgh is so racist that middle-class black folks don't have to all live in the same neighborhood... Never accept an anecdote as evidence and never ever believe anything that you read on a hooker board, but I live in possibly the most affluent suburban neighborhood in Allegheny County and, starting at the corner house, my neighbors on my side of the street are:

white couple (old money), interracial couple (new money), white couple (new money), white couple (old money), interracial couple (new money), white couple (old money), asian couple (new money), black couple (new money), white couple (new money).

My street is definitely not middle-class, but my street is typical of my particular suburb and it is a mix of old (inherited) and new (earned) money. Is that segregation? Doesn't look like it to me.

[Magictouch13]

I am not sure that having a singularly black middle class neighborhood would help designate you as less of a racist city. I would believe that the Designation of a black middle class neighborhood might just be racist in and of itself.

I would think the less racist you are, the more integrated you are. And with the AA population accounting for less than 20% of the gen pop, we might just be more integrated than places that have “black middle class neighborhoods”